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    A question to the Shunyata folks, Caelin or Grant... is there work underway to make a new generation of cyclops, or is the Denali 2000t the ne plus ultra going forward (allowing for future upgrades)?

    I ask because I am just thrilled with the difference in my system having upgraded from an old Hydra v2 to a Triton v3. WOW! I have to say my system took a huge step into the big leagues. With my acoustic remodel completed, adding the Triton v3 has left me gobsmacked night after night. I have loved Allan Toussaint's "The Bright Mississippi" since I first bought a copy several years back (the 2-disk pressing). The first cut on side A is everything I think of when I think of New Orleans Jazz, and between the Triton and my room remodel, the big marching band bass drum is rendered with amazing clarity and definition. This has been a reference cut for me as my system has improved over the years, but it has never sounded as lifelike and realistic as it does now.

    That said, I am thinking a Denali 2000 would be appropriate as my REF75 is currently plugged into a dedicated circuit with a Sigma alpha PC. If I put a Denali between the amp and the wall, what PC should I include for best effect and value. With a Denali or a Triton in the system, are the NR power cords significant between components?
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    Another question for Shunyata. If I have the Denali, what power cords do you recommend from my components to the Denali (amp, preamp, DAC, and music server)? Why is it necessary to invest in an after market power cord, since the Denali reduces almost a 100% of the noise?
    My system: Monitor Audio PL500 II, Jeff Rowland(JR) 625 S2 amp, JR Corus preamp, JR Aeris DAC, Antipodes DS GT music server, Wireworld Platinum XLR cables and power cords, Wireworld Silver speaker cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricjor1 View Post
    Another question for Shunyata. If I have the Denali, what power cords do you recommend from my components to the Denali (amp, preamp, DAC, and music server)? Why is it necessary to invest in an after market power cord, since the Denali reduces almost a 100% of the noise?
    If you are currently using stock power cords, almost anything shielded, with good connections and reasonable gauge will be a big improvement. If you want a step better, then I recommend considering the Delta NR power cords.

    To answer your other question: First of all, there is no such thing as a power distributor that reduces "almost 100% of the noise" or anywhere within a country mile of that. Electronic systems are bathed in noise fields from every angle; power-supply generated EMI, RFI is everywhere. Near-field noise generation by electronics can be a real problem. Our electrical systems offer distributed power conditioning, where noise can be isolated at the component and again where all the components join (in your case that'd be the Denali).

    Its easy to discern as each stage is applied, that perceived noise is being reduced. This noise is measurable and endemic to electronic operation in both music, recording and medical applications and there is no such thing as a single box panacea for noise, unfortunately. The fewer points of ingress you allow for noise to circulate in and around electronics systems, the better the performance. Adding NR power cords won't eliminate close to 100% of the noise either, but you will notice their addition in a very positive way. Too much in-box noise-isolation can kill other areas of performance such as dynamics, timing and frequency extension in sound. We find it far better to approach the isolation of noise in stages, from its inception and through the power-distributor with as little in-line resistance in front of instantaneous current as possible. Leaving electronics free to interact with unrestricted peak-current (and less reactance) is far more critical to system performance than mere noise-reduction.

    Best regards,

    Grant
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    I have my Denali 6000T, along with an Alpha NR (for the Lumin), running for 11 days.
    It really is a sensational device. Silence and an organic sound in the orchestral masses, I love it. I'm waiting to try a Sigma NR to connect the Denali to the wall socket.
    I have high hopes that the sound, will still be better

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    I will probably buy a Denali 6000, and sell my Triton and possibly Typhon. My question: can you plug the Typhon in the Denali, and is there any benefit to be expected from it? If not, it will be easier to sell the Triton v1 with Typhon, then just the Triton. So advice on this will be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio View Post
    I will probably buy a Denali 6000, and sell my Triton and possibly Typhon. My question: can you plug the Typhon in the Denali, and is there any benefit to be expected from it? If not, it will be easier to sell the Triton v1 with Typhon, then just the Triton. So advice on this will be appreciated.
    If you live abroad, I would recommend speaking to your dealer about a possible trade-in of your Triton v1 toward a Triton v3 and keep the Typhon if you can afford to, or sell/trade that and the Triton v1 to procure the Triton v3, which is a notable step up in performance from the Denali 6000T, or the Triton v1 and Typhon.

    However, If you reside in the US, I would consider sending the Triton v1 in for an upgrade to the Triton v3 as a first option if best performance is the goal.

    If its easiest to sell the Triton v1 and buy the Denali 6000T, then that would be option #3. The Denali 6000T is better than either the Triton v1 or the Triton v2. Adding a Typhon to the Denali may result in better performance in some systems, but the Typhon was made to be used with the Triton models. The better the Triton model, the more improvement you will get from what the Typhon has to offer.

    Feel free to e-mail me at grant@shunyata.com if I can be of more help with your specifics in terms of system and your best options.

    Best regards,

    Grant
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantS View Post
    If you live abroad, I would recommend speaking to your dealer about a possible trade-in of your Triton v1 toward a Triton v3 and keep the Typhon if you can afford to, or sell/trade that and the Triton v1 to procure the Triton v3, which is a notable step up in performance from the Denali 6000T, or the Triton v1 and Typhon.

    However, If you reside in the US, I would consider sending the Triton v1 in for an upgrade to the Triton v3 as a first option if best performance is the goal.

    If its easiest to sell the Triton v1 and buy the Denali 6000T, then that would be option #3. The Denali 6000T is better than either the Triton v1 or the Triton v2. Adding a Typhon to the Denali may result in better performance in some systems, but the Typhon was made to be used with the Triton models. The better the Triton model, the more improvement you will get from what the Typhon has to offer.

    Feel free to e-mail me at grant@shunyata.com if I can be of more help with your specifics in terms of system and your best options.

    Best regards,

    Grant
    Thanks Grant for the reply. The question for me now is, what should I choose to do (I live in the Netherlands and cannot upgrade, very unfortunately (why not by the way, even if it's more expensive than the US upgrade, I'd still be happy to do that)? I prefer to opt for the best sound, but experiences concerning the difference between the Denali and the Triton v3 plus Typhon are not unequivocally clear to me, so maybe you can help me. I saw a sort of scale determination, where the Triton v2 got 65 points, the Denali 85, and the Triton v3 100 (on a scale from 0-100 of course). If this is more or less correct, than the Denali has a very good price/quality ratio. But it's not clear to me for example if this comparison includes the use of a Typhon with the Triton. Anyway, I'd like to hear your own impressions about the difference, I guess you're a addicted to music and good presentation of it as I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio View Post
    Thanks Grant for the reply. The question for me now is, what should I choose to do (I live in the Netherlands and cannot upgrade, very unfortunately (why not by the way, even if it's more expensive than the US upgrade, I'd still be happy to do that)? I prefer to opt for the best sound, but experiences concerning the difference between the Denali and the Triton v3 plus Typhon are not unequivocally clear to me, so maybe you can help me. I saw a sort of scale determination, where the Triton v2 got 65 points, the Denali 85, and the Triton v3 100 (on a scale from 0-100 of course). If this is more or less correct, than the Denali has a very good price/quality ratio. But it's not clear to me for example if this comparison includes the use of a Typhon with the Triton. Anyway, I'd like to hear your own impressions about the difference, I guess you're a addicted to music and good presentation of it as I am
    The grading scale you mentioned provides a very limited view of the differences. The Denali is measurably more quiet than anything we've ever produced, almost eerily so, but also retains precise timing and excellent dynamics. It will never sound slowed down or dull in the way most "conditioners" do that restrict instantaneous current. These characteristics, in a snapshot explain Denali's popularity and value at the price. Compared to the Triton v2, I would agree that the Denali while different, is ultimately a clear step up. That is not the case with the v3.

    The Triton v3, while measurably not as quiet as a 6000T, does literally everything else better. The dynamic scale of music comes across more broadly, almost unlimited in the way it frees extension at dynamic extremes. Sound with the Triton v3 is imparted with more weight, three-dimensionality and room-shaking power, as if you've added 100 watts to your amps output. The Triton v3 has a massively over-sized (3x larger) version of the patent-pending QR/BB that is in the Denali's HC outlet. The QR/BB facilitates greater access to instantaneous current than when plugging electronics directly into the wall. This is accomplished without using capacitors, which is unique to Denali models and the Triton v3.

    Instruments and voice present with more texture and bolder color -- more dimensional, or 'present-in-the-room' with the v3 Triton than through Denali 6000T or competitive brands. The best description is to say the Denali can delineate an ideal hologram of sound images in space from front to back, side to side and the soundstage is unbelievably wide and deep. The Triton v3 fills in these holograms with added scale, weight and perceived power, as if the instruments take on their corporeal form and you can "feel" the instrument's sound, whether a cello, violin or kick-drum that vibrates the front of your shirt. That kind of difference and live-feel separates our products from others and the Triton v3 is by far the best at presenting this characteristic. The Denali is exceptional, but the Triton v3 would assert its superiority in the areas I mention within a minute of playing music. Adding a Typhon to the Triton v3 only increases dynamic scale and adds dimension to instruments. Conversely, adding a Typhon to Denali produces a more subtle difference and I'm not sure is worth the added cost, but on a Triton v3 you would likely never part with it once you realize what it adds to the performance.

    I hope this helps better describe the differences between the units. If the v3 is at all within your budget, that is what I would consider. The Denali is technically better than the v1 or v2, but its also different, whereas the v3 is unequivocally better in virtually every respect. Its also, quite a bit more expensive so before I get ahead of myself, that has to be a primary consideration.

    I hope this helps!

    Grant
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantS View Post
    The grading scale you mentioned provides a very limited view of the differences. The Denali is measurably more quiet than anything we've ever produced, almost eerily so, but also retains precise timing and excellent dynamics. It will never sound slowed down or dull in the way most "conditioners" do that restrict instantaneous current. These characteristics, in a snapshot explain Denali's popularity and value at the price. Compared to the Triton v2, I would agree that the Denali while different, is ultimately a clear step up. That is not the case with the v3.

    The Triton v3, while measurably not as quiet as a 6000T, does literally everything else better. The dynamic scale of music comes across more broadly, almost unlimited in the way it frees extension at dynamic extremes. Sound with the Triton v3 is imparted with more weight, three-dimensionality and room-shaking power, as if you've added 100 watts to your amps output. The Triton v3 has a massively over-sized (3x larger) version of the patent-pending QR/BB that is in the Denali's HC outlet. The QR/BB facilitates greater access to instantaneous current than when plugging electronics directly into the wall. This is accomplished without using capacitors, which is unique to Denali models and the Triton v3.

    Instruments and voice present with more texture and bolder color -- more dimensional, or 'present-in-the-room' with the v3 Triton than through Denali 6000T or competitive brands. The best description is to say the Denali can delineate an ideal hologram of sound images in space from front to back, side to side and the soundstage is unbelievably wide and deep. The Triton v3 fills in these holograms with added scale, weight and perceived power, as if the instruments take on their corporeal form and you can "feel" the instrument's sound, whether a cello, violin or kick-drum that vibrates the front of your shirt. That kind of difference and live-feel separates our products from others and the Triton v3 is by far the best at presenting this characteristic. The Denali is exceptional, but the Triton v3 would assert its superiority in the areas I mention within a minute of playing music. Adding a Typhon to the Triton v3 only increases dynamic scale and adds dimension to instruments. Conversely, adding a Typhon to Denali produces a more subtle difference and I'm not sure is worth the added cost, but on a Triton v3 you would likely never part with it once you realize what it adds to the performance.

    I hope this helps better describe the differences between the units. If the v3 is at all within your budget, that is what I would consider. The Denali is technically better than the v1 or v2, but its also different, whereas the v3 is unequivocally better in virtually every respect. Its also, quite a bit more expensive so before I get ahead of myself, that has to be a primary consideration.

    I hope this helps!

    Grant
    This certainly helps, thanks! Your (impressive) description of the differences paints a very real picture of the presentational merits of both conditioners, and contains exactly the aspects I need to make a decision. As my preference is classical music specific timbres of instruments and space is essential, and if I understand well the Triton gives the instruments more body and power ('presence') within that space. In terms of how you experience this I expect the instruments to reach out more and enhance the connection the listener can make with the music. So Triton v3 it has to be. I'll keep the Typhon for use with it and sell the Triton.

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    One more question, if you allow me, Grant. What are your impressions concerning the difference between the Sigma HC and Digital and the Sigma NR cable? Are the differences as audible and striking as in the comparison between Denali and Triton? Thanks, Ben

    An additional question, also for other forum members: I am looking for good cables for the Martin Logan 15a speakers I ordered. What would be best for these speakers with their dual 500W D-amplifiers for the bass section and their relatively big panels? Would they need the Sigma NR, or would the Alpha NR suffice? What can I expect as to difference between the two? Does have anyone has experience with the CLX for example?

    I hope someone can help me with this.
    Last edited by Horatio; 08-26-2017 at 05:56 AM.

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