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Thread: A Visit to AudioArts - NYC to hear CH Precision - FM Acoustics - Zellaton

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    Quote Originally Posted by SterlingReznor View Post
    Tunes, so far so good. Very good, actually. I will confess to have not listened critically all that much while it is breaking in. For the most part over the last few weeks, I've simply left the system playing music to allow for break-in. But I have had a few listening sessions and have some initial impressions. First, the bass is absolutely incredible. As you have seen in the pictures, I have a tiny listening room, but the Grands, despite their size, do not overwhelm it. The bass on my prior speakers sounded bloated and one dimensional. Those speakers were lush and warm, but the bass would simply drown everything else out. The bass on the Grands is anything but. It is tight, extremely articulate, and, when the notes are low enough, something that you feel more than you might hear. They are nothing like any speaker I've had before.

    The highs on the Zellatons really sizzle. They are crisp and clear without being brittle or bright.

    As for the mids, I don't think I have quite enough time to easily evaluate them. They have not yet come into full bloom, but from what I understand about the ASR, it usually takes a while for that to happen. It comes last.

    At this point, I can't really weigh in on soundstage and imaging. Those are things that need further tweaking in terms of speaker placement, etc. that I've not toyed with during break in (and, to be truthful, those aspects are less important to me than the emotion and musicality of the system).

    I'm really looking forward to where this system combo leads me. It has been a great ride so far. Stay tuned.
    Great pictures and congratulations again. Thanks for the listening notes. As you do get to the critical listening stage, let us know what recordings your listening to and what you are hearing / feeling. I'm very excited for you! All the best.

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    Nice pics Sterling!
    For the FM fans, Steve from CNET had a short piece about the FM setup at Audioarts.
    https://www.cnet.com/news/we-listen-...-as-a-ferrari/

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    Next Visit to AudioArts Planned

    All, I will be in NYC in early February and I've made an appointment for my next listening session at AudioArts. Have a look at what I will audition here:
    http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/01...eakers-at.html

    Gideon told me I would be hearing the Zellaton Statement, FM Acoustics electronics, CH Precision digital, Brinkman TT, Fuuga cartridge, Schnerzinger cables. This should be interesting and I will report back. I'm really eager to hear the Statements and to understand the Schnerzinger technology that is embedded in the speaker. Stay tuned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsorren1 View Post
    All, I will be in NYC in early February and I've made an appointment for my next listening session at AudioArts. Have a look at what I will audition here:
    http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/01...eakers-at.html

    Gideon told me I would be hearing the Zellaton Statement, FM Acoustics electronics, CH Precision digital, Brinkman TT, Fuuga cartridge, Schnerzinger cables. This should be interesting and I will report back. I'm really eager to hear the Statements and to understand the Schnerzinger technology that is embedded in the speaker. Stay tuned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsorren1 View Post
    All, I will be in NYC in early February and I've made an appointment for my next listening session at AudioArts. Have a look at what I will audition here:
    http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/01...eakers-at.html

    Gideon told me I would be hearing the Zellaton Statement, FM Acoustics electronics, CH Precision digital, Brinkman TT, Fuuga cartridge, Schnerzinger cables. This should be interesting and I will report back. I'm really eager to hear the Statements and to understand the Schnerzinger technology that is embedded in the speaker. Stay tuned!
    Rsorren1, Do you only visit AA's when in NYC? Would love for you to stop by as I am only a few blocks from Gideon. Not to buy anything, just for a listen.

    If you do visit other shops then you are cordially invited.
    Audio Dealer/Distributor NYC Two Manhattan locations
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvisinta View Post
    Rsorren1, Do you only visit AA's when in NYC? Would love for you to stop by as I am only a few blocks from Gideon. Not to buy anything, just for a listen.

    If you do visit other shops then you are cordially invited.
    Thanks Bob. I actually visited your shop a few years ago with a friend. Thanks for the invite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsorren1 View Post
    Thanks Bob. I actually visited your shop a few years ago with a friend. Thanks for the invite.
    Interesting and sorry, I did not make the connection. Come back for another visit if your schedule allows. Have you heard MQA being fully HW decoded? All the best.
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    Nack has a new review out of the CH P1
    http://positive-feedback.com/reviews...1-phono-stage/
    I have not yet tried or even seen the new CH support discs that are mentioned near the end of the review. Any other CH owners tried or heard these?
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunes View Post
    Nack has a new review out of the CH P1
    http://positive-feedback.com/reviews...1-phono-stage/
    I have not yet tried or even seen the new CH support discs that are mentioned near the end of the review. Any other CH owners tried or heard these?
    Chris
    Chris, I saw the Marshall Nack P1 review. I found it interesting the way that Marshall Nack compared several excellent phono stages. My Sperling L3, arm, Fuuga cartridge, Swiss Cable interconnect, HRS stand AND the CH Precision P1/X1 are in! AudioArts is sending Mike Trei to install everything later this week. I'll add some pictures and listening notes. I have the black CH support discs that Marshall described. They came with my P1/X1. I can't tell if they made a difference yet because I have only one set in use now under the P1/X1.

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    My analog journey begins...again. I've not had a turntable in 21 years. Big mistake when we built the house. Our music room is over the garage and the floor is not nearly solid enough to put any turntable on any stand. I tried several times in the past unsuccessfully and just gave up. Last year when I began visiting AudioArts, NYC, I heard the Sperling L3, TA-1 arm, and Fuuga cartridge. I really enjoyed what I was hearing through the L3/Fuuga/FM Acoustics 122 phono stage. The sound was very dynamic, natural, open, rich. I would love to have this type of presentation in my room. I discussed the problem of the floor with Gideon. He suggested that when I was ready to move forward with an analog front-end, the problem could be overcome by a wall shelf of proper dimensions and sturdiness to hold the L3. The Sperling weighs over 80 lbs. When the CH Precision P1 was introduced the dream of a turntable in the room became even stronger. That's when I turned to our home builder and still good friend, Mike Kirlin, Kirlin Custom Homes. Mike dropped by and we discussed what I was attempting to do and what was needed. The result is the wall shelf in the picture above. It's made of maple and bolted to two studs with 5" stainless steel lag bolts. On the back of the shelf, Mike had his carpenter glue a rubbery material that is used when installing air conditioners that he swears will outlive me, helps to dampen vibrations and takes up the space between the shelf, supports, and the unevenness of the wall. It is painted "Kirlin Beige" to match all of the trim in our home, a custom color Mike used when he built our home in 1995. Now all we need is the table and a phono pre-amp.

    As documented earlier in this thread, AudioArts arranged for a P1 to be auditioned at a good friend's house here in TX. When I heard what was possible with analog, I was really hooked again. I spoke with Gideon and ordered the P1/X1, Sperling L3 tt, TA-1 arm, Fuuga cartridge, Swisscable interconnect, and an HRS to support the P1/X1. The arrangement he offered was similar to the original arrangement we had: if I don't like the Sperling / Fuuga, I would have to pay for the shipping back to NYC AND pay of the travel and set-up fee since Gideon was sending Mike Trei from NYC to Dallas for the installation. I agreed to the terms which included payment due on acceptance but no later than a certain date. Nice. We both had an investment in the success of the project but Gideon was certain. He told me when the table is set up properly, it will "rock your world of what you thought was possible in your room".

    It took what felt like forever to get everything here from Germany, Switzerland, and upstate NY. Mike Trei showed up this past Thursday for the install. When he finished, he listened to a few of his reference tracks on LPs he brought with him, made several adjustments and declared the set-up ready for my final tuning. What will I play first?

    I have about 250 LPs that I've kept through the years in a closet in the back of the music room. First up was the original DG, Pollini, Chopin Preludes, Etudes, Polonaise four LP set. I selected Preludes Op. 28, #1. Mike asked me what I thought after listening to the first two Preludes. I couldn't answer. It's been 21 years since I played that album in our music room and the differences between it and the countless number of digital versions I've heard was so large I didn't know where to start or what to say. Next up was an original A&M Cat Stevens "Teaser and the Firecat". The album is in pretty rough shape but certain cuts are good. "The Wind" was so open, rich, present, musical, real, again not able to really help Mike with what he was asking me; do you want a little more of this a little less that? No response. Third was an original three LP set of the Linda Ronstadt sessions with Nelson Riddle. It's totally stunning. Overload. We decided to break for dinner. I took Mike to a wonderful TX BBQ place called Smoke. If you're ever in Dallas, try it. Over dinner we discussed how Mike could slightly change what we were hearing with adjustments to different parameters of the turntable/arm/cartridge. After dinner we used the Ronstadt cut Bewitched, Beguilded and Bewildered to test the changes. We settled on the set-up I now have.

    I'm starting to understand what those of you who own turntables have written here on WBF related to the differences between your analog set-up and digital. The CH Precision D1/C1/X1 is truly one of the best digital from-ends I've ever heard anywhere and definitely the best I've ever had in my room. But the turntable is so different. Just played an original ABC Records Steely Dan Aja in mint shape. Still having trouble describing what I'm hearing. All I can say is "That's it!" Many thanks to AudioArts, Mike Trei, Kirlin custom homes. Gideon is right. My audio world is now officially rocked!

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