adding the Lampizator SE GG to the Trinity dac

wisnon

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there are several DHT preamps as well, Bonzo. in fact, Srajan Ebaen has extolled the virtues of DHT preamps extensively with First Watt amps.

Bill- most who post on these threads seem to have SS, go figure. I certainly don't know about the european market. clearly, there are SET amp guys who own both Lampi amps and dac.

Do they use 101ds and in the same way that Bonzo like them for speed?

Also its likely these DHT preamps cost MORE than a GG, so you get Dac and preamp for far less than an Allnic DHT preamp costing $30K.

Finally I see Amare with a EML 30A DHT preamp, driven by EF86 and EL84 tubes. This is a Flea DHT and cant be compared to the DHTs commonly used in the Lampi. Also the sound of the DHT is masked by the Driver tubes...
 

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Do they use 101ds and in the same way that Bonzo like them for speed?

Also its likely these DHT preamps cost MORE than a GG, so you get Dac and preamp for far less than an Allnic DHT preamp costing $30K.

Finally I see Amare with a EML 30A DHT preamp, driven by EF86 and EL84 tubes. This is a Flea DHT and cant be compared to the DHTs commonly used in the Lampi. Also the sound of the DHT is masked by the Driver
tubes...

have you heard the others or are you speculating?

Manley has made a DHT preamp for 15 years- like 7k.
 

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Speculating about what actually?

Read my post again.

Have you heard the "speed" of the 101d in the GG that Bonzo likes or are you speculating? Yes, I used to hear the Manleys all the time at my local dealer.
 

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Hi this is going nowhere. Can we have a separate thread dedicated to DHT pre amps? I kind of like the idea of demoing some. I don't see any reason to present it as an alternative to lampi for us SS owners though
 

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you are talking about 101D speed without saying if you've heard a DHT preamp and speculating the Lampi is "faster" than other alternatives.

I've heard the Melody 2688 preamp, which uses 101Ds, extensively. I have not heard a Lampi in a familiar system. If DHT is an elite methodology, I would prefer to have it for all sources, right?
 

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Yeah that's why I said I am interested in demoing seriously
 

Audiophile Bill

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Yeah that's why I said I am interested in demoing seriously

Don't forget the Lampi also can come with volume control with LINE in - therefore it is actually a DHT preamp for a line source.
 

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KeithR - please see my comment above - if you buy a Lampi with volume control, it also comes with a line input. Therefore your turntable or other source would be going through the Lampi and used as a DHT preamp. Therefore, you are getting a reference DAC and DHT preamp with 1 line input.

http://www.lampizator.eu/Fikus/VOLUME_CONTROL.html
 

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you are talking about 101D speed without saying if you've heard a DHT preamp and speculating the Lampi is "faster" than other alternatives.

I've heard the Melody 2688 preamp, which uses 101Ds, extensively. I have not heard a Lampi in a familiar system. If DHT is an elite methodology, I would prefer to have it for all sources, right?

I never said that. Read my post again and look out for ...?????
 

wisnon

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KeithR - please see my comment above - if you buy a Lampi with volume control, it also comes with a line input. Therefore your turntable or other source would be going through the Lampi and used as a DHT preamp. Therefore, you are getting a reference DAC and DHT preamp with 1 line input.

http://www.lampizator.eu/Fikus/VOLUME_CONTROL.html

That is the point. Keith knows not a lot about the lampi and likely never heard one. He does not understand the PREAMP portion of it and the way the DHT are implemented (no driver tubes).

I think an equal number of owners use SS as tube amps. My pal who jusy bought one is tubed and my other Pal with the Lansche Horns uses KR Tube amps. Quite a few people run Lampi tube amps with the Dac too, whether the GM70 or the 211 Bal amps.

Keith is not talking from a position of knowledge.
 

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KeithR - please see my comment above - if you buy a Lampi with volume control, it also comes with a line input. Therefore your turntable or other source would be going through the Lampi and used as a DHT preamp. Therefore, you are getting a reference DAC and DHT preamp with 1 line input.

http://www.lampizator.eu/Fikus/VOLUME_CONTROL.html

A volume control isn't an active preamplifier. Big difference.
 

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That is the point. Keith knows not a lot about the lampi and likely never heard one. He does not understand the PREAMP portion of it and the way the DHT are implemented (no driver tubes).

Actually, I'm going to take the high road and bow out.
 
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wisnon

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Intelligence or EXPERIENCE with a particular product? What do you know about the particulars of the Lampi DHT design and how they sound?

Come on now Keith, you keep putting up red herrings. You misinterpret what I say repeatedly, but no worries, lets agree to drop it.
 

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Hmm, another WBF dust up.
Keith, it's not mandatory for tubed dac users to go tubes elsewhere, just like it also isn't to run tube amps and insist on a tubed dac.
I love my Nat Audio SETs and will NEVER move back to SS, but haven't found a tubed digital product I didn't think was flawed.
Maybe the GG will change my mind.
 

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Hmm, another WBF dust up.
Keith, it's not mandatory for tubed dac users to go tubes elsewhere, just like it also isn't to run tube amps and insist on a tubed dac.
I love my Nat Audio SETs and will NEVER move back to SS, but haven't found a tubed digital product I didn't think was flawed.
Maybe the GG will change my mind.

I never said they were, Spirit. I simply inquired why a DHT preamp wouldn't be a potentially better solution for people who have multiple sources and that I found it interesting most Lampi users had SS systems on this forum.

btw, thank you Bonzo for wanting to discuss a DHT preamp. I responded to this in Mike's thread because he has a superlative DarTZeel preamp, but still enjoys the tubed dac in his system. I was curious his thoughts on the subject.
 

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I never said they were, Spirit. I simply inquired why a DHT preamp wouldn't be a potentially better solution for people who have multiple sources and that I found it interesting most Lampi users had SS systems on this forum.

btw, thank you Bonzo for wanting to discuss a DHT preamp. I responded to this in Mike's thread because he has a superlative DarTZeel preamp, but still enjoys the tubed dac in his system. I was curious his thoughts on the subject.

I think the thing was instead of saying "Have you guys considered DHT preamps as well in your systems", your opening message jumped in as "Why don't you guys use valve preamps as an alternative to the Lampi, since most of you own SS" - that had a lot of implicit incorrect assumptions which rattled the readers.
 

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Exactly. Most Lampi owners I know have TUBE amplification…I am sure I know more than Keith, so not sure why he is so insistent.

The other flawed assumption which you have addressed Bonzo is that Lampi owners only have the Dac because it is tubed, as oppesed to liking the SOUND of the Dac which just HAPPENS to be tubed. Clearly the Lapi implementation is pretty different to other tube designers and Keith's assertion is akin to saying a Kondo owner should rather trade it in for say an Absolare tube amp (as if they are designed the same).
 

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