IMHO a measurement thread would need a moderation from a moderator not directly involved in the debates to avoid becoming also an anti-subjective rant. Otherwise, if measurements are used mainly to "prove" that tweaks and high-end are just placebos and joke on the high-end fools, WBF risks loosing the audiophile community.
Again IMHO this thread on the USB devices was condemned to become polemic from start - the original post conclusions were too provocative, condescending and colloquial. The sentence on the garden rocks and musical happiness was an unfriendly aggression in a forum that claims to be friendly. The conclusions style managed to destroy the effect of the well written introduction and the five clear and well thought preliminary notes. YMMV.
As we are seeing now there is a lot to be learned from and debated in proper measurements - the main question is attracting the experts to debate them in WBF and simultaneously respect the audiophile community.
First I take exception one more time in attempting to position objectivists as non-audiophiles. We are every bit of an audiophile as much as the next person here. We love music and strive to create the best listening experience. Nothing is more unfriendly and unhelpful than to keep positioning other peers of us who have the same love as we do this way. I hope I don't have to ask you again to not do this.
Second, we created a new subforum specifically for objectivists to have discussions among themselves
without worrying about upsetting the other camp. Now you are coming here saying what we talk about there has to pass the approval of the other camp or else they are going to complain? This is what *Steve* wrote for that forum:
"A forum where objectivists can ask questions and exchange ideas regarding the science of audio as well as anything pertaining to audio that involves tests, measurements, ABX testing etc. We have all indicated a desire to read about the science behind our hobby but this is one forum where the subjectivists will not be allowed to derail or flame an objectivist thread with the comment "I trust my ears". As a result to all members this is intended to be a flame free forum and the warning on the door will say "Enter At Your Own Risk"
Where does it read to you that as objectivists we need to not say what we want to each other and have to walk on eggshells for the other camp?
Did the few of you follow those rules? Did you avoid derailing the thread? Did you avoid flaming the objectivists? You didn't follow any of this, did you?
This is the reality guys. We are all audiophiles. We want to pursue our missions as we see fit. This forum was started by Steve and I representing two distinct camps and approaches to this hobby. The forum has been and continues to be dominated by subjectivists and threads which is great. I read almost all of them, and it puts a smile on my face that we have the only mixed audience forum where they can have their discussions about any audio products without an objectivists derailing those discussions.
In reverse, every discussion of audio engineering, measurements, double blind test as of late has caused a ton of outrage. A suggestion was made to have a special forum where we, as the management team could enjoy our hobby and not deal with more protests. Steve created the forum and we started to utilize the thread. If you want editorial approval over what is written there, then you are out of line. Objectivists are not required to be politically correct in that forum.
