McBloom, I'm disappointed in you. Do I have to spell out to you. Just a general observation and nothing to do with Lamp .. don't base purchases on SEVERAL raving over top comments on the WWW.
My experience with Lampizator
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A direct comparison analog/digital was not the point I was making. My post reacted to the statement:
When digital was used, he would play for a few minutes and then leave the room. So, we need digital reproduction that will not drive children and/or small animals from the room.
My example proves that digital does not necessarily drive children out of the room. It also does not drive my two dogs out of the room, by the way.
In any case, it is clear that there are strong opinions and sensitivities on this matter, and I do not expect to change your obviously quite passionate opinion.
I do agree with you on one thing: There was always something fundamentally askew with digital, and in my view that was for the largest part rhythm & timing (next perhaps to other things). Digital never had that effortless foot-tapping quality that analog has, often even quite moderate analog. Like you I have gone through much digital gear, Cambridge CD3 > Meridian 208 > Meridian 602/606 > Wadia 8/12. It always lagged on the swing and rock factor; with the Wadia 12 DAC the swing was good (only when fed through my Tice Powerblock II; digital is very sensitive to proper power conditioning), but also the Wadia could not really rock. Enter finally my current digital, the Berkeley Alpha DAC 2. When driven by the Simaudio CD transport it is a veritable rock & roll beast, next to being able to swing like hell. In my experience it rocks and swings with the best turntables. To anyone who would want to directly compare, I'd say bring it on.
JoeCasey is to be commended for consistency in expressing his true nature. That being said, there is only one way to effectively deal with him and his like: censorship. To make this censorship stick, I propose a federalized union of audio sites with an elected board (aka parliament) that will be elected every five years. Its decisions and decrees will be sacrosanct and not challengeable. People like Casey will not be allowed to thrive and prosper in the context of such a union. The time has come....
Bonzo, this thread started downhill. Don't worry though. Casey and exchange mock insults for the sake of humor and stirring up the PC crowd.
FWIW, this forum along with Audioshark are my favs (irregardless of the raw number of OPs!)
This has been a very informative thread, REGARDLESS of what has been written to the contrary. Both we and Lampizator have learned something from this discussion.
It needs more rotten fruit and spray paint to be redeemed. The audio arm chair quarterbacking is a yawn.....like watching C-span.
Close it then..otherwise the blood is still in the water. There is clearly nothing left to discuss.
Closing threads is a last resort Christian. Better to appeal to our member's before having to resort to that. I hope the humble appeal is heard.
Marslo,
This thread has turned into a great case study. But unfortunately, it hasn't been solved.
One key element people are missing is that as companies grow from a garage operation to a "real" company, they start incurring higher administrative and marketing costs. (At the same time, they are able to lower other costs due to volume purchases and scale.)
Furthermore, what most here are missing is an understanding that the high end audio is a luxury. How much is a Lampizator? I believe it's around $15K. Having a more reasonable trial period does potentially raise certain costs, such as parts/ money tied up in the inventory/ lent out units. What if the owner were to raise the price to $16.5K or $17K in order to support the more generous trial period? Do you think anyone would balk, or even notice?
Hell No!!!! It would be justification that this is a product in great and is in high demand. And it would make the buyer feel extra good that he paid as much for a DAC as many people have paid for a car. (Not poking fun at anyone. Yes, as high end addicts, we are all guilty here.)
I have spoken with ?ukasz today. He was out on Holidays, sailing on an open ocean with no Internet access. He didn't have the time to go through 400+ unanswered emails he got, or to read the forums. I tried my best to bring him up to speed. He was very sad when he have heard the story from me.
AFAIK, Ian already got 3 different offers from Fred (one of which was a refund). He now needs to make up his mind.
AFAIK, Ian already got 3 different offers from Fred (one of which was a refund). He now needs to make up his mind.
Microstrip,
You have engaged in an excellent iteration of scenario analysis. However, you have only presented a negative scenario. Obviously it is a possibility. But what is the chance of this scenario coming to fruition?
Also, your comments about data collection are excellent. However, there is no comparative data for tiny companies. There are only assumptions that are drawn by analogy to other economic situation that are better known and understood. And they are still assumptions - The way one gets data is by trying things and running small experiments within his company.
Sailing, takes me away...
https://www.facebook.com/#!/FikusLa...574000374533/1669710399927558/?type=1&theater
May I ask, is this going to be the way of things from now on in the Web "super democratic, wash your underwear in public" world? I don't have any thoughts, pro or anti, re Lampi, but surely this could have been conducted a LITTLE BIT more behind closed doors. Now if 2 months on, nothing was being resolved, or the company were building brick walls as fast as complaints were coming in, then yes, make things public. But I can't support the public crucifixion going on here.
I'm condidering buying a pair of horns from the US which may leave me open to any number of potential pitfalls. I'm sure if there was poor resolution, I woudn't air this so soon in the process. But that's just me.
Lucasz better get on this, offer the damned refund, and put the lid on. No shelter in the Brave New Internet World.
I'm condidering buying a pair of horns from the US which may leave me open to any number of potential pitfalls. I'm sure if there was poor resolution, I woudn't air this so soon in the process. But that's just me.
Lucasz better get on this, offer the damned refund, and put the lid on. No shelter in the Brave New Internet World.
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