I talked to Mr. Wolf in Munich about that. He rolled his eyes when I asked him about SP. He basically asked me why would anyone would want to stand on rollers when trying to push/pull things, which is basically what a speaker does. He said that you want to couple the speakers, not decouple them. But he said that talking to Audiophiles about stuff like that is useless, as they surly believe that they know more about speaker design then the speaker designer, and/or accuse Magico of being bias (…as bias for good engineering is a bad thing). He said that the speakers will sound different for sure, but better they will not be, unless smearing the speakers impulse covers some other issues you may have in your system, but that is only further removing you from good performance. He also said that changing the height of the speakers is also detrimental to the performance.
You re right imo , since for example the S 5 is not the all assault magico , obviously there are budgetcuts somewhere in the design, however it is not all certain that the S 5 would benefit from othermore expensive footers.
The largest budget cut obviously would be LS systemsize
Wolf comment was in regards to this particular issue, although I think he was also talking about a larger dichotomy which was clearly illustrated in this thread. We, audiophiles (even “industry experts”), do not always follow reason, not even simple one.If indeed Wolf made these comments, he is correct. For the most part anyway, including his rolling eyes....
But I disagree with Wolf's supposed implication that others cannot know more about his designs (or at least aspects of his designs) than he. Could I not take possession of a Ferrari F430 Spider and improve its performance somewhere somehow over the factory model? If I had the resources, knowledge, and inclination, I (or another) might be able to improve maybe 1 or even 10 areas of that F430 within 60 days or so.
Wolf comment was in regards to this particular issue, although I think he was also talking about a larger dichotomy which was clearly illustrated in this thread. We, audiophiles (even “industry experts”), do not always follow reason, not even simple one.
I did not hear Wolf claiming that there are no better ways to couple his speakers, he just talked about the principals involved in doing so. Regardless, I would think that he would have better credentials then most bystanders (who only credentials are their “ears”) to talk about these things, as they pertain to his designs.
You say you did not hear Wolf claim there are no better ways to couple his speakers, yet didn't you just say he was talking about this specific issue and rolling his eyes?
After all, we're talking about loudspeakers, right? If ears are not applicable here, then where?
I am sure Alon Wolf's eyes will kept rolled for hours after reading this post!
Last night I helped my friend to install Stillpoints Ultra 5 onto his Magico Project M :
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The improvement is very very obvious and in all aspects!
Soundstage expanded ; bass increased in quantity and quality ; resolution improved ; images solidified yet with more natural harmonics & decay ...
I always say : Listening is Believing.
OMG what a shame. First of all, when you increase the distance between the speaker and the floor you will get less bass. You will smear the mid bass by making the speaker wobbly. Unless you adjust listening height you will be off axis from the tweeter.
OMG what a shame. First of all, when you increase the distance between the speaker and the floor you will get less bass. You will smear the mid bass by making the speaker wobbly. Unless you adjust listening height you will be off axis from the tweeter.
I am sure Alon Wolf's eyes will kept rolled for hours after reading this post!
Last night I helped my friend to install Stillpoints Ultra 5 onto his Magico Project M :
The improvement is very very obvious and in all aspects!
Soundstage expanded ; bass increased in quantity and quality ; resolution improved ; images solidified yet with more natural harmonics & decay ...
I always say : Listening is Believing.
Very interesting. Of course, an objectivist would object because the evaluation was not a DBT and suggest a bias based on the fact that the owner already uses Ultra 5s under his Pass amps. I tend to do my evaluations sighted, so I can not object to your observations. Congratulations and I'm glad you have found a way to improve the performance of those incredible speakers.
Great combination of Magico and Pass. This system must sound great.
Hi stehno,
Your guess is spot on!
Have you seen the original plates of Project M?
They are the ones came with my S5. Small and thin steel plates. Please see the photo below.
Why does Alon Wolf think that they can be used both in S5 and Project M and produce the same effect? haha
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Hi stehno,
Your guess is spot on!
Have you seen the original plates of Project M?
They are the ones came with my S5. Small and thin steel plates. Please see the photo below.
Why does Alon Wolf think that they can be used both in S5 and Project M and produce the same effect? haha
By plates do you mean disc or puck-shaped steel objects? Without seeing how they are fasted, what lays between them and speaker base, etc, it's not wise for me to comment. I have a sneaking suspicion that Wolf's footer design may not be too dissimilar from the Ultra 5's. If I assume identical designs between Wolf's discs and the Ultra's I would lean toward Wolf's smaller discs for the mere reason that the smaller footer generates a greater pounds per square inch force of the speaker against the floor and by that one fact alone would make for a more superior mechanical conduit between the speaker and floor, thus potentially allowing more mechanical energy to escape before it can induces its sonic harm by dissipating within the speaker.
I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other because I can't see everything about them, but the fact that others seem to articulate similar positive responses, I'd venture at the very least Stillpoints is using superior materials to Wolfs.
As for your last point about Wolf using the same system in one speaker model and another and expecting the same results, well the bigger issue is that even though the industry has its experts in a given field e.g. speaker design, amp design, etc. those experts often times think they are experts in other fields outside of their primary expertise, e.g. proper AC filtering / line conditioning, proper vibration control, etc. when in fact those and other areas are clearly outside their realm.
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