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    UpTone Audio Regen 'amber'

    Thought I'd start a new thread rather than corrupt the GG thread.

    OK, only two days listening to a specific selection of songs I know very well and bearing in mind I prefer a musical sound rather than analytic sound I'm still coming to terms with what the Regen brings to the party.

    There have been hundreds of positive reports for the Regen with notably a couple of negatives from WBF members. What can I add?

    Bearing in mind my tastes in music, anything from pop, jazz, indie, country and classical my take is that the Regen in my system reveals space like a champion. Transients better defined and bass much tighter.

    Initially I thought the Regen was too revealing and lost some of the bloom and musicality, the Warmth of the system, but actually it reveals that the warmth is just noise buried in the mix bringing added warmth.

    With the Regen you can hear around a voice better, it's more delineated in space. Complex music or heavy mixes are clearer to understand and width of the soundstage is greater.

    Diana Krall loses some of that annoying breathiness. Beck, Morning, is no longer a mass of sounds but spread further apart so you can understand it better. Cassandra Wilson now sounds closer to hearing her live, with less of that thick caramel/ honey sound. And of course space is much greater due to lower noise floor.

    I listened the whole afternoon and going back to non Regen sounds as though a gauze, a beautiful one, is placed over the music.

    There is a perceived thinness but again I believe that's noise thickening up the sound.

    Just listening to Eric Bibb/Habib Koite, Needed Time and the thumb of the bass is strong, the shaker is so clear, vocals so present. Sinatra, Wee small hours with the Regen knocks a few years off Franks voice, less plummy but still that magic emotion.

    I expected to be disappointed due to A few negative comments, mainly in relation to the Lampizator, and have been pleasantly surprised.

    Should I start to miss the old sound I'm man enough to say I was wrong but so far it seems a winner.

    If any UK WBF members would like to try the Regen I am willing to post to you for a few days listening. Just send me a pm. And we'll arrange something. But first, got to send it to Mr. Sablon or Bonzo?

    Cheers
    Blue 58

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    Nicely described (meaning that I hear the same things ) !
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    It seems that we all hear the same things, although differ in our subjective opinion.

    To my ears, my server sounds more natural and fuller without the Regen. This certain 'perceived thinness' that you also noted is sth which I didn't like.

    On the other hand, I have managed to close the gap on the Regen's exemplary transcient speed, articulation and resolution by adding to my server linear and battery PSUs, Jcat USB card, filtered TotalDAC D1 USB cable etc to the point that I do not get that WOW effecy most of you are experiencing. Regen is still a bit better on resolution, but not more than 5-10%. It is much more expensive route, but the end result is much more real sounding to my ears.

    If I was using a standard laptop or Mac Mini, my view could well be different.

    I'm awaiting the improved Regen Amber to arrive to see what it brings to the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    Nicely described (meaning that I hear the same things ) !
    Thanks Jim.
    BTW I can't tell you how many times I read your 100 secrets and followed your Avantgarde setup instructions.
    I owe you a pint.
    Cheers

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    Elberoth, You'll like the Amber.
    Just listening to Laura Mvula with the Metropole Orkest, Sing to the Moon.
    Saw them at the RAH last year and Now I'm hearing this recording like never before.
    Appears to be getting better with some hours on it.
    Keep us posted on how you get on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    It seems that we all hear the same things, although differ in our subjective opinion.

    To my ears, my server sounds more natural and fuller without the Regen. This certain 'perceived thinness' that you also noted is sth which I didn't like.

    On the other hand, I have managed to close the gap on the Regen's exemplary transcient speed, articulation and resolution by adding to my server linear and battery PSUs, Jcat USB card, filtered TotalDAC D1 USB cable etc to the point that I do not get that WOW effecy most of you are experiencing. Regen is still a bit better on resolution, but not more than 5-10%. It is much more expensive route, but the end result is much more real sounding to my ears.

    If I was using a standard laptop or Mac Mini, my view could well be different.

    I'm awaiting the improved Regen Amber to arrive to see what it brings to the table.
    Mine is the amber and I use a MBP, dedicated to music use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue58 View Post
    Thought I'd start a new thread rather than corrupt the GG thread.

    OK, only two days listening to a specific selection of songs I know very well and bearing in mind I prefer a musical sound rather than analytic sound I'm still coming to terms with what the Regen brings to the party.

    There have been hundreds of positive reports for the Regen with notably a couple of negatives from WBF members. What can I add?

    Bearing in mind my tastes in music, anything from pop, jazz, indie, country and classical my take is that the Regen in my system reveals space like a champion. Transients better defined and bass much tighter.

    Initially I thought the Regen was too revealing and lost some of the bloom and musicality, the Warmth of the system, but actually it reveals that the warmth is just noise buried in the mix bringing added warmth.

    With the Regen you can hear around a voice better, it's more delineated in space. Complex music or heavy mixes are clearer to understand and width of the soundstage is greater.

    Diana Krall loses some of that annoying breathiness. Beck, Morning, is no longer a mass of sounds but spread further apart so you can understand it better. Cassandra Wilson now sounds closer to hearing her live, with less of that thick caramel/ honey sound. And of course space is much greater due to lower noise floor.

    I listened the whole afternoon and going back to non Regen sounds as though a gauze, a beautiful one, is placed over the music.

    There is a perceived thinness but again I believe that's noise thickening up the sound.

    Just listening to Eric Bibb/Habib Koite, Needed Time and the thumb of the bass is strong, the shaker is so clear, vocals so present. Sinatra, Wee small hours with the Regen knocks a few years off Franks voice, less plummy but still that magic emotion.

    I expected to be disappointed due to A few negative comments, mainly in relation to the Lampizator, and have been pleasantly surprised.

    Should I start to miss the old sound I'm man enough to say I was wrong but so far it seems a winner.

    If any UK WBF members would like to try the Regen I am willing to post to you for a few days listening. Just send me a pm. And we'll arrange something. But first, got to send it to Mr. Sablon or Bonzo?

    Cheers
    Blue 58
    Hi Barry, I have the Regen, and am getting the Amber upgrade, but have not got around to trying those yet. My current OCD is Horns, especially Western Electric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    Mine is the amber and I use a MBP, dedicated to music use.
    So apples to oranges. I'm looking forward for my Amber to arrive. I hope it will put my doubts to rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue58 View Post
    Elberoth, You'll like the Amber.
    I do like it ... on my Trinity DAC. With the Trinity I do not hear that 'perceived thinness' as with the Lampi and all Regen's hallmarks are there.

    The 'problem' we all hear may be Amanero board specific.
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    Blue58, Elberoth

    It looks like I am the only one who does not like uptone . Let me explain why.
    I agree with Blue 58 that the sound with uptone is a bit thinn, I would say less organic. It gives maybe even darker background and as a final result - more resolution but to my ears that is just too much.
    When we listen live to a big orchestra playing complex classical music we cannot point out every single instrument - at least I can't, we perceive the music as a whole . With uptone and detailed source our attention is attracted by every musician instead of music. That is not natural imo.
    Moreover in my setup and with specific vocal recordings the horns start to shout and that is what nobody likes. You are probably right Blue58 that what we perceive as musicality could be a sort of noise or distortion but the tubes do the same and we like it, don't we ?
    I believe it's a matter of personal preferences and specific setup but I will not try amber , I am fine without it.
    One thing more- in my system uptone integrated better with Lampi than with La Fontaine so I could not share with Adam the idea that it is just amanero board .
    I could accept uptone with lampi in some recordings esp. DSD but not with La Fontaine and PCM.
    BTW , Adam thanks for the loan .
    P.S Blue58 - I have Gran Corona since yestarday , hard to believe but with lampi I have the impression that is better than acro 9500 , looking forward to audition Reserva whithin a few weeks.


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