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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Like Tbone I came along a slightly different path. My first experience with high-end audio was in 1971 at a local dealer's with 3-channel Klipschorns and La Scala, with Mac and Marantz electronics. Through most of the '70's and into the early '80's I often recorded major artists (surreptitiously, of course) and friends and local artists (more openly and officially). Regardless of the microphones and tape decks, analog recordings never got me close to the original experience, at least not in the way I wanted. Neither did early digital recordings, but the outboard Nakamichi PCM convertor with B&K (now DPA) mics got me closer than any of my reel decks (Tandberg, Technics and Revox, and very occasionally a Nagra IV) did in ways that seemed to matter more to me. Even today, of course, neither analog nor digital recordings really fool me into thinking they are the real thing, but I'll take either one if well done, with a practical preference for digital simply because it's easier (and more affordable) to bring high quality sources into my home with the largest availability of music I want to hear.
    How and what did they demo on 3 channels? I only remember the Quad recordings from the 70's. A friend's father was a night club owner and he had a Klipsch, Mac, Garrard, Nakamichi system. We were barely in our teens and already deep into music, I remember us going over to his house spending hours listening and making bootleg cassettes while making fun of of the ancient tubes and horns. We were ignorant then and so proud of our ss receivers and POS direct drive tables, little did I know that's what I'd return too a couple of decades later.

    I understand practicality of digital and it can be very, very good, but its still is missing certain things. I gave up on film for my photography for practicality and ease but struggle in loving digital images for the very same reasons that digital audio leaves me wanting. There's no depth in the blacks with digital and while you can see the all important light it fails to create emotion and atmosphere the way film does. That's why I'm regularly impressed by great digital images but rarely moved.

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    Mercury Living Presence and RCA Living Stereo were mostly recorded in 3-channels but weren't widely available. Klipsch was a big believer in the Bell Labs experiments with 3-channel sound and they made a passive network to synthesize the center channel, which mated well with the tube mono amps commonly used with Klipsch back then (and probably now, for that matter). We all look at or hear different things as our primary cues to enable us to suspend our disbelief when using reproductions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Mercury Living Presence and RCA Living Stereo were mostly recorded in 3-channels but weren't widely available. Klipsch was a big believer in the Bell Labs experiments with 3-channel sound and they made a passive network to synthesize the center channel, which mated well with the tube mono amps commonly used with Klipsch back then (and probably now, for that matter). We all look at or hear different things as our primary cues to enable us to suspend our disbelief when using reproductions.
    I never knew about 3 channel pressings or seen any playback source equipment from that era designed for it. Something different to look into, thanks for that!

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    Ah David, Very Interesting to read your pathway to the Hi End --and note your wonderful systems--my word--Kudos there!

    I just noted your reference to Ricardo's System being Sound Labs Speakers-- I am also good friend of his and used to visit him in his magnificent Wimbledon Parkway Walled mansion

    We keep in touch --he Emailed me only yesterday actually.

    I must admit to not seeing nor hearing any SL's with him--he did however have the Apogee Diva's which he'd blow the Tweeters on!

    Are you positive you heard SL's?-just if I recall the UK agent for SLs was Audiofreaks--but I could be wrong--been along time!

    I envy your setup immensely !

    Good Listening,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceD View Post
    Ah David, Very Interesting to read your pathway to the Hi End --and note your wonderful systems--my word--Kudos there!

    I just noted your reference to Ricardo's System being Sound Labs Speakers-- I am also good friend of his and used to visit him in his magnificent Wimbledon Parkway Walled mansion

    We keep in touch --he Emailed me only yesterday actually.

    I must admit to not seeing nor hearing any SL's with him--he did however have the Apogee Diva's which he'd blow the Tweeters on!

    Are you positive you heard SL's?-just if I recall the UK agent for SLs was Audiofreaks--but I could be wrong--been along time!

    I envy your setup immensely !

    Good Listening,

    BruceD
    Thanks Bruce! Everything you see in the system I hunted down actively but the speakers were found by sheer luck. I was visiting a vintage audio dealer in Hiroshima for other speakers when I saw them in his storage unit and had no idea what they were. He set up a single horn without any of the panels as courtesy, that was enough. It took 4 days to convince him to sell them.

    I lived in London from 1979 to 1984, that's when I met Ricardo, a few years before the Divas were released. You must have met him later. I don't know how you blow those ribbons, I had my Divas from 1989 to 2003 and they only got damaged during a move in NYC. I guess at the time there weren't any amplifiers that could really drive them properly and given the size of his room he to crank whatever he was using to clipping.

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    There's one question I've always wanted to ask you David. Where in the heck did you manage to find those Bionors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackD201 View Post
    There's one question I've always wanted to ask you David. Where in the heck did you manage to find those Bionors?
    In another thread he said he found them at a dealer's in Japan and took 4 days to convince him to sell
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    Missed that one. Thanks Steve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Thanks Bruce! Everything you see in the system I hunted down actively but the speakers were found by sheer luck. I was visiting a vintage audio dealer in Hiroshima for other speakers when I saw them in his storage unit and had no idea what they were. He set up a single horn without any of the panels as courtesy, that was enough. It took 4 days to convince him to sell them.

    I lived in London from 1979 to 1984, that's when I met Ricardo, a few years before the Divas were released. You must have met him later. I don't know how you blow those ribbons, I had my Divas from 1989 to 2003 and they only got damaged during a move in NYC. I guess at the time there weren't any amplifiers that could really drive them properly and given the size of his room he to crank whatever he was using to clipping.

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    Ah Thank you for that--yes I lived in the UK 84 to 86-- my second time After Art Schooling there 59to 66---WE met in 84 when I bought some ARC gear and we became good friends like wise with his then sec Debbie--

    OK so that explains the SLs--he never mentioned them so maybe they gave him a bad memory ha!--I've owned

    A1 s and been through all the trials and tribulations of those panel--frankly not for me sorry!

    Yes the Divas were up against the Glass doors(UGH!) facing into the lounge driven by Krells at the time-- pooff!!--out went two panels KK was there for Dins and we looked at one another and hid our heads while the smoke cleared--ha!

    Ricardo is changed today-- not the as then longhaired Rockstar--more Mafia boss look -new family/etc

    Still makes me laugh tho!

    Wow! what story on the speaker--yes been similar--when I was assignment in Japan mid 70's I convinced my employer there--Dentsu Advt to locate this mystery Sugano-san as I wished to buy his "new"cartridge -as I already owned Supexes

    same thing we went to his house --winding coils with the family on the kitchen table-- took me 2weeks for him to make me a K--one of the first outside Jp

    Great times!

    BruceD

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