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    Quote Originally Posted by jam View Post
    Drool!

    What is your choice of cartridge?

    I find that silicon damping might be more useful for moving magnet cartridges.

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    I'm a cartridge whore Jam! I can pin down the table and the arm but cartridges are a different story. Specially with eBay you have access to so many good & great ones from past too. Throw in the SUTs and you have even more combinations to make you go crazy. The silicone changes the character of the and is a kind of coloration that works with some cartridges but not all.

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    Hi David,

    Given your extensive experience with various Micro Seiki tables and TechDAS, what is your view about the new AF3 model and which Micro Seiki model you would compare it to? For someone like myself, who cannot afford either AF1 or AF2, what is your view about the junior TechDAS model? Is it a viable option despite it relatively low mass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    I'm a cartridge whore Jam! I can pin down the table and the arm but cartridges are a different story. Specially with eBay you have access to so many good & great ones from past too. Throw in the SUTs and you have even more combinations to make you go crazy. The silicone changes the character of the and is a kind of coloration that works with some cartridges but not all.

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    I am looking for the body and tone of a SPU anniversary with the higher end and resolution of a Lyra
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    Quote Originally Posted by abeidrov View Post
    Hi David,

    Given your extensive experience with various Micro Seiki tables and TechDAS, what is your view about the new AF3 model and which Micro Seiki model you would compare it to? For someone like myself, who cannot afford either AF1 or AF2, what is your view about the junior TechDAS model? Is it a viable option despite it relatively low mass?

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    Aziz
    Difficult to answer your question Aziz without knowing your definition of viable and my experience with AF-3 is limited Jack is the one to ask about AF-3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    I am looking for the body and tone of a SPU anniversary with the higher end and resolution of a Lyra
    ZYX Universe Premium!

    It's not a question of resolution Ked but delivery, classic designs like the SPU don't lack resolution specially the various anniversary models but deliver the music in a very different character than modern cartridges. IME the ZYX embodies the best of both worlds better than other cartridge I've heard plus it's very uncanny signature smoothness. This doesn't mean that there aren't other very fine cartridges out there but your question was very specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    ZYX Universe Premium!

    It's not a question of resolution Ked but delivery, classic designs like the SPU don't lack resolution specially the various anniversary models but deliver the music in a very different character than modern cartridges. IME the ZYX embodies the best of both worlds better than other cartridge I've heard plus it's very uncanny signature smoothness. This doesn't mean that there aren't other very fine cartridges out there but your question was very specific.

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    I second that David

    yesterday, Mike Lavigne paid me a surprise visit for an afternoon of listening. While paying vinyl I asked him if he wanted to do an a/b comparison of the two cartridges. It is a simple switch via my Lamm LP1 Signature. Mike also owns the Anna. Within 30 seconds Mike smiled and said something but finished by saying "let's listen only with the ZYX Premium".


    Granted it wasn't a fair comparison as the arms were of different make and length however the sonic difference between the two is immediately apparent
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    Do you guys have any experience with the ZYX Universe II model? Does it have the same qualities as the more expensive ZYX Premium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Williams View Post
    I second that David

    yesterday, Mike Lavigne paid me a surprise visit for an afternoon of listening. While paying vinyl I asked him if he wanted to do an a/b comparison of the two cartridges. It is a simple switch via my Lamm LP1 Signature. Mike also owns the Anna. Within 30 seconds Mike smiled and said something but finished by saying "let's listen only with the ZYX Premium".


    Granted it wasn't a fair comparison as the arms were of different make and length however the sonic difference between the two is immediately apparent
    I love that cartridge and agree but I also want something much cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abeidrov View Post
    Do you guys have any experience with the ZYX Universe II model? Does it have the same qualities as the more expensive ZYX Premium?

    Thanks,
    Aziz
    Quote Originally Posted by abeidrov View Post
    Do you guys have any experience with the ZYX Universe II model? Does it have the same qualities as the more expensive ZYX Premium?

    Thanks,
    Aziz
    I have compared it top AN IO and Koetsu rosewood platinum and really like it. It had nice timbre, bass, shows nuances of piano and violin, nice depth. I doubt it has the same qualities of the universe premium, maybe DDK can confirm
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Difficult to answer your question Aziz without knowing your definition of viable and my experience with AF-3 is limited Jack is the one to ask about AF-3.
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    I think of all the TD tables the AF3 has the closest direct relation to a MS table and that table would be the 5000. There are elements currently unique to the SZ like the air bearing motor flywheel that have yet to appear in any current TD table. Maybe the Zero perhaps?
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