I am finished with cables

BlueFox · May 21, 2015

At least for a little bit.

I just replaced the 1 meter Sigma HC cables with 1.75 meter versions, and replaced the Zitron Python on the pre with a Sigma Analog. Between adding the Sigmas and moving to the Triton v2, I have over hauled my two channel power. Plus, the trickle down cables have moved into the HT/surround system. Now it is time to jump off this train and enjoy it for a year or two, or the rest of my life. Unless somebody can come up with something better, at a lower price, I am going to try and stop upgrading cables. It is hard to imagine being able to extract even more detail out of the music.

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

Bud

I know exactly how you feel

BlueFox · May 22, 2015

Yes. I feel this is my inflection point into the realm of diminishing returns.

crion · May 22, 2015

Have you connected any CGS cables to your Tritonv2 yet Bud?

BlueFox · May 22, 2015

No. Not yet.

DSkip · May 22, 2015

Lies. All lies.

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

Bud

would you say that upgrading from the V1 to the V2 was in the realm of diminishing returns

Just when you thought you were out , they pull you back in, as Michael Corleone said in Godfather 3

crion · May 22, 2015

CGS cables have a positive effect in my system on both active speakers(Furutech 8GA), preamp(sigma digital) and BD-source(sigma digital).

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

crion said:
CGS cables have a positive effect in my system on both active speakers(Furutech 8GA), preamp(sigma digital) and BD-source(sigma digital).

Isn't your preamp and BD source plugged into your Triton or are you also using the CGS for additional grounding

crion · May 22, 2015

Using it in addition.

Triton v2, phase 1, low current components, preamp Meridian 861v8, sources, HDMI switch etc.
Triton v2, phase 2, high current components, active speakers, Meridian DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

crion said:
Using it in addition.

Triton v2, phase 1, low current components, preamp Meridian 861v8, sources, HDMI switch etc.
Triton v2, phase 2, high current components, active speakers, Meridian DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC

not sure I understand about what you mean about phase 1 and phase 2. When you plug these into the Triton they have the benefit of all using the central ground on the unit.so I'm not certain why you would also use CGS cables if the components are plugged into the Triton

crion · May 22, 2015

Electrical phase 1 and 2 from the fuse box. Two Tritons.

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

I was wondering if that were the case. So you are grounding the components from one Triton (which are already grounded) via the external CGS of that Triton to the CGS of the other Triton???

MtnHam · May 22, 2015

crion said:
Electrical phase 1 and 2 from the fuse box. Two Tritons.

The prevailing wisdom seems to be that all dedicated circuits for an audio system should be tied to one phase of the electrical panel only.

crion · May 22, 2015

Steve Williams said:
I was wondering if that were the case. So you are grounding the components from one Triton (which are already grounded) via the external CGS of that Triton to the CGS of the other Triton???

I thought to do it that way first but then I got nervous and went for KISS. Just their local Triton with CGS cables.

crion · May 22, 2015

MtnHam said:
The prevailing wisdom seems to be that all dedicated circuits for an audio system should be tied to one phase of the electrical panel only.

I know the dogma, but the system is so large and spread out I use actually all three phases for different stuff in the HT.

I have 0 ground loop problems in my electrical wiring.

Steve Williams · May 22, 2015

Can you describe what you heard when you added the CGS

CGabriel · May 22, 2015

crion said:
CGS cables have a positive effect in my system on both active speakers(Furutech 8GA), preamp(sigma digital) and BD-source(sigma digital).

Hey Crion,

If you haven't done it yet - connect the CGS system from each of the TRITON's to each other. Since you are running multiple lines and multiple TRITONs this may be helpful.

crion · May 22, 2015

CGabriel said:
Hey Crion,

If you haven't done it yet - connect the CGS system from each of the TRITON's to each other. Since you are running multiple lines and multiple TRITONs this may be helpful.

Thanks Caelin, I have one more CGS cable I will try it out. Edit: It will be better with a double banana I will have to wait.

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What I experienced immediately when i connected the first 3 CGS cables to the front active speakers was a couple of things, some sibilance but some clarity and more live presence, more pluck on the guitarstrings if you will. As time progressed the sibilance toned down and clarity and presence trumped also the bass seemed to become more omnipresent less attention to itself more part of the whole. The texture and attack was more natural as verified with Piano (which I've played and enjoy listening to).

Now when attaching the CGS cable to my digital preamp (Meridian 861v8) This happened again, some slight sibilance but again, more real music presence, truer texture, truer attack and decay, some "slam" (which I now attribute to distorsion) went away.

During these 2 evenings I have listened to alot of music and for me it's very apparent that the system have gotten more true to the source. A sceptic thought would have been that it just coincided with the total breakin of the v2 but that doesn't hold any water because then it wouldn't again improve/change in character once I connected the preamp with a CGS cable. And then again when I connected the BD source.

Watching Unbroken on BD with the starting planes suspense scene is very effective with music and engines sounds perfect as they zoom front to back and forth.

I really wanted to wait with these findings but as I said to myself in the beginning, this can't make this much difference, but for me it felt like the v2 experience just expanded.

BlueFox · May 22, 2015

Steve Williams said:
Bud

would you say that upgrading from the V1 to the V2 was in the realm of diminishing returns

Just when you thought you were out , they pull you back in, as Michael Corleone said in Godfather 3

Well, technically, the Triton v2 isn't a cable, and it certainly improved over the v1. Would a v3 be even better? I guess we will find out, but I hope that is a few years away.

I think I am now going to look into DSP engines, and find out what they can do. I probably will start with one of the DEQX products.

http://www.deqx.com/

I am finished with cables

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