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    Quote Originally Posted by howiebrou View Post
    Tang,

    How would you compare this with the CH P1? I am contemplating one of these as an upgrade to my AR Ref 2 phono.

    Thanks

    Howie
    Hello Howie,

    I did compare the CH, EMT and my Ayon a few weeks back. Is CH better than EMT like awsmone said? I say yes to many aspects. The first day I listened to CH I was so surprised by its ability, I had to write emails to Gian and Kedar to release some excitement out of my blood . Gian is the one who urged me to try CH.

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    Did I choose CH? No. I listened to them switching back and forth for a week and ended up ordering an EMT. I am also keeping the Ayon.

    In another thread I saw people discussing the best phono. I think you maybe able to do a check list and decide which phono you tick boxes most win the contest and CH will come up on top. It could be the best phono, but is it the best phono for you and your system?

    The CH is natural through out spectrum. What you will notice right away is its sky clear detail wide open sound. All instruments are laid out cleanly without any particular distinctiveness or hard edges. Almost like when I hear Atlas on SAT the first time...well not exactly..the Atlas does make some instrument distinctive. The soundstage of CH is a bit panorama but set back a little comparing to the EMT. Size and scale of images are about the same.

    No need to discuss about transparency, resoultion, natural tone, quietness, dynamic, instrument seperation, these three phonos provide them more than sufficiently. Some criteria, one phono is "a bit" better than the others vice versa, but doesnt mean that bit extras make the others drop down from A grade to A-.

    Differences I heard from my system are in areas of tone density, vividness, the degree of energy radiating from each instrument, the musical "pop" that to me bring aliveness and involvement. The tube EMT and Ayon have more. Not a B+ to A- more. It is more of a A- to A or A+ in a sense. My Ayon is king on these aspects but I admit the sound is less refined and has less high extension than both EMT and CH.

    My system with SAT and top carts already gives me excellent details, extreme resolution, quietness, layers, seperation, things that are highlights of CH. I dont need much more of these and the EMT doesnt make anything worse. While EMT has almost the same level of texture, density, vivid, liveliness as my Ayon, it also gives my system more refinement in sound and better highs.

    I will have at least six arms and need more Phono so I picked EMT. Too bad Thailand dont have a Lamm dealer otherwise I would try the LP1 too.

    In term of features, the CH wins hands down. It could play with any carts you can imagine and has so many options and equalisation you may want, all digitally control. What I dont like about the EMT is the high gain input is still not so high.. at least 5db lower than Ayon. With very low output cart like Anna and Atlas, I had to turn the volume up abnormally from what I am used to. Although EMT has four inputs. Three of them are low gain for carts with 1mV or more..a lot more. So you basically leave with only one input to play with modern low moving coil. I asked EMT to do two inputs for very low mc for me and they would call it MkIII. You need to adjust the turnover knob to fit the years of your record play too. Sound presentation will be different.

    So, people can say whatever brand of phono is the best, I dont really care. At this level they are all excellent. It is what fit my preference and synergize my system is what makes the best phono for me.

    Kind regards,
    Tang

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    I think even at lower levels, there is a tussle between valve and SS phonos. It depends on what music you listen to and what carts you have. So ideally one should try both, whether EMT and CH, or at lower price levels say for example Thoress and Burmester. I think one should choose their favorite valve phono and compare to the likes of CH to decide
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    There isn't the best phono,or best amp,there are some very good phono or amp and we have to match them in our system and room
    Tango has all tube,so is a perfect match with tube phono,and CH P1 can be very good in a TT System because has a natural mid with very extended and sweet high and good control on the bass
    Then in top brand i think is better have a synergy with same pre and phono
    P1 is clever also because you can develop in future bringing it in mono with 2 X1,so 4 stack and in this case i think can be amazing

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    Hi Tang

    Did you try the ch in current mode and what carts did u use with ch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awsmone View Post
    Hi Tang

    Did you try the ch in current mode and what carts did u use with ch ?

    Thx
    I tried with Opus1 and Coralstone. But mostly with Opus1 because too much cable switching gave me backache. Yes, in current mode.

    Kind regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Hello Howie,

    I did compare the CH, EMT and my Ayon a few weeks back. Is CH better than EMT like awsmone said? I say yes to many aspects. The first day I listened to CH I was so surprised by its ability, I had to write emails to Gian and Kedar to release some excitement out of my blood . Gian is the one who urged me to try CH.

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    Did I choose CH? No. I listened to them switching back and forth for a week and ended up ordering an EMT. I am also keeping the Ayon.

    In another thread I saw people discussing the best phono. I think you maybe able to do a check list and decide which phono you tick boxes most win the contest and CH will come up on top. It could be the best phono, but is it the best phono for you and your system?

    The CH is natural through out spectrum. What you will notice right away is its sky clear detail wide open sound. All instruments are laid out cleanly without any particular distinctiveness or hard edges. Almost like when I hear Atlas on SAT the first time...well not exactly..the Atlas does make some instrument distinctive. The soundstage of CH is a bit panorama but set back a little comparing to the EMT. Size and scale of images are about the same.

    No need to discuss about transparency, resoultion, natural tone, quietness, dynamic, instrument seperation, these three phonos provide them more than sufficiently. Some criteria, one phono is "a bit" better than the others vice versa, but doesnt mean that bit extras make the others drop down from A grade to A-.

    Differences I heard from my system are in areas of tone density, vividness, the degree of energy radiating from each instrument, the musical "pop" that to me bring aliveness and involvement. The tube EMT and Ayon have more. Not a B+ to A- more. It is more of a A- to A or A+ in a sense. My Ayon is king on these aspects but I admit the sound is less refined and has less high extension than both EMT and CH.

    My system with SAT and top carts already gives me excellent details, extreme resolution, quietness, layers, seperation, things that are highlights of CH. I dont need much more of these and the EMT doesnt make anything worse. While EMT has almost the same level of texture, density, vivid, liveliness as my Ayon, it also gives my system more refinement in sound and better highs.

    I will have at least six arms and need more Phono so I picked EMT. Too bad Thailand dont have a Lamm dealer otherwise I would try the LP1 too.

    In term of features, the CH wins hands down. It could play with any carts you can imagine and has so many options and equalisation you may want, all digitally control. What I dont like about the EMT is the high gain input is still not so high.. at least 5db lower than Ayon. With very low output cart like Anna and Atlas, I had to turn the volume up abnormally from what I am used to. Although EMT has four inputs. Three of them are low gain for carts with 1mV or more..a lot more. So you basically leave with only one input to play with modern low moving coil. I asked EMT to do two inputs for very low mc for me and they would call it MkIII. You need to adjust the turnover knob to fit the years of your record play too. Sound presentation will be different.

    So, people can say whatever brand of phono is the best, I dont really care. At this level they are all excellent. It is what fit my preference and synergize my system is what makes the best phono for me.

    Kind regards,
    Tang
    Thank you Tang for the very comprehensive reply. It’s interesting that you didn’t go with the CH. I have an Anna waiting in the wings and I am wondering if the low output will also be a problem... Is there much difference in MSRP between the two?

    Thanks

    Howie

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    Quote Originally Posted by gian60 View Post
    There isn't the best phono,or best amp,there are some very good phono or amp and we have to match them in our system and room
    Tango has all tube,so is a perfect match with tube phono,and CH P1 can be very good in a TT System because has a natural mid with very extended and sweet high and good control on the bass
    Then in top brand i think is better have a synergy with same pre and phono
    P1 is clever also because you can develop in future bringing it in mono with 2 X1,so 4 stack and in this case i think can be amazing
    I am also all Valves so it makes me wonder if EMT might be a better choice. Will really have to try and demo them but together is almost impossible.

    Howie

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    Quote Originally Posted by howiebrou View Post
    Thank you Tang for the very comprehensive reply. It’s interesting that you didn’t go with the CH. I have an Anna waiting in the wings and I am wondering if the low output will also be a problem... Is there much difference in MSRP between the two?

    Thanks

    Howie

    Dear Howie,

    I dont know the retail price of both. The price that I am paying for the EmT is pretty much the same as the price I can buy the P1+X1. As I mentioned before the high gain of EMT is not so high, it is best to demo in your system with carts you have. To be honest to you, the P1+X1 is excellent and a safer bet.

    Kind regards,
    Tang

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    I also wrote this in another forum.

    "EMT JPA66 MkII - Has all the good stuff of Ayon but a tiny bit less dynamic. If I use Siltech Triple Crown power cord the dynamic will be at least as good as the Ayon. Excellent instrument seperation, plus the refinement of CH. Three mc inputs. One mm input. Input1 for >1mV cart. Input2 for >0.2mV cart. Input3 for mc 5mV cart. Input4 for mm cart. You can ask EMT to make Input3 to be same as Input2. High gain of Input2 is still a lot lower than the Ayon, at least 5db lower. Continous adjustment gain and load of each input on the fly."

    Tang

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Dear Howie,

    I dont know the retail price of both. The price that I am paying for the EmT is pretty much the same as the price I can buy the P1+X1. As I mentioned before the high gain of EMT is not so high, it is best to demo in your system with carts you have. To be honest to you, the P1+X1 is excellent and a safer bet.

    Kind regards,
    Tang
    Thanks. I guess that makes the EMT quite expensive!

    howie

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