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Horn Porn IV: Tune Audio Anima with Aries Cerat integrated amp

Thread starter bonzo75
Start date Mar 22, 2015

bonzo75

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Mar 22, 2015

#1

So Animas have always been one of my top 3, but I have previously heard it with Modwright gear, and as it is a 109db horn, wanted to hear it with lower powered valves. So went to Paris yesterday, and wow. I have never heard music as live as this. Best reproduction of orchestra and Jazz, great on vocals. This, along with another horn that I had demoed in Berlin, mentioned in my Horn Porn III thread (http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...-tour-III-JBL-awesome-Western-Electric-Berlin), are my ultimate dream speakers, topping the Analysis Amphitryon.

As you can see below, the color he had chosen for his wood was atrocious, but you can get really high WAF wood. Anyway, he had this almost 250lb integrated valve amp called Aries Cerat Diana, which sounded brilliant. Bigger than a Krell. We used the Eera Stanton to play CDs and then compared it to the Verdier Platine turntable. With this speaker as the ultimate goal, I can stick to 2-ch without trying to buy an Auro 3d type corrector-processor.

Very live room, without treatment, yet sounded great. I have heard these in three different rooms now sounding great - yesterday with this gear, previously with Modwright, and once with, err, two Devialet monoblocks

bonzo75

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Mar 22, 2015

#2

Here are some better colors

http://www.stereotimes.com/post/muni...nd-2013-part-3

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatur...rburen2/2.html

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spiritofmusic

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Mar 23, 2015

#3

That's got to be one challenging room, Bonzo. If the Animas can sound good there, I tip my hat. They'll stay on my radar.

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LL21

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May 30, 2015

#4

Anyone know any more about Aries Cerat? Have been reading up and am most curious about their designs...they certainly seem to be going over the top with high quality designs, chips, parts and the word on the street is positive so far. Thanks for any insights. Intrigued by their DAC and their Contendo Reference speakers...by the way, to understand the scale of this speaker, the red horn is 4 feet across and the tower sub to the left has 2 15" cones.

Aries Cerat Reference Speaker.jpg

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SPEAKER: Wilson Alexandria XLF // Velodyne DD18+
SOURCE: Zanden 4-Box Digital + Waversa LAN Isolator EXT Reference Plus + QSA LAN Jitter Org Gold + Mullard NOS
AMPLIFIER: Robert Koda K15EX Super Ground + K160 Monos
CABLES: IC/SC: Transparent Opus 5 Digital: Z:Axis Ref SL-D I2S Power: Z:Axis SL777 // Sablon Prince Orange
ISOLATION: UNDER: SRA OhioXL // HRS M3X // Z:Axis // Stillpoints U6 + U7 DAMPING: 270kg + HRS, Artesania, Z:Axis
GROUNDING: Tripoint Troy SE // Entreq Dual Plutons + Olympus Infinity Tungsten + Max T Binding Posts
POWER: Dedicated Circuit + UPS // QSA IEC Jitter Gold + Torus AVR16 // Nordost QX4 // Burmester Ref 948
ROOM: Stillpoints Apertures // Acoustic Underlay
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HEADPHONE: Meze Empyrean // EAR Yoshino HP4 // Transparent Ultra 5 VIDEO: Dual Kaleidescape Cinema Ones // JVC DLA X700 4K // Screen Innovations 5

bonzo75

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May 30, 2015

#5

The Symphonia speaker retail is 52k euro, too much. I am headed down there sometime this summer, but later

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LL21

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May 30, 2015

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bonzo75 said:
The Symphonia speaker retail is 52k euro, too much. I am headed down there sometime this summer, but later

Thanks...let me know what you think. Their reference speaker which i refer to is Eur250K+. Everything they do is pretty OTT, but i am intrigued by their description of their DAC. Look forward to your comments.

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SPEAKER: Wilson Alexandria XLF // Velodyne DD18+
SOURCE: Zanden 4-Box Digital + Waversa LAN Isolator EXT Reference Plus + QSA LAN Jitter Org Gold + Mullard NOS
AMPLIFIER: Robert Koda K15EX Super Ground + K160 Monos
CABLES: IC/SC: Transparent Opus 5 Digital: Z:Axis Ref SL-D I2S Power: Z:Axis SL777 // Sablon Prince Orange
ISOLATION: UNDER: SRA OhioXL // HRS M3X // Z:Axis // Stillpoints U6 + U7 DAMPING: 270kg + HRS, Artesania, Z:Axis
GROUNDING: Tripoint Troy SE // Entreq Dual Plutons + Olympus Infinity Tungsten + Max T Binding Posts
POWER: Dedicated Circuit + UPS // QSA IEC Jitter Gold + Torus AVR16 // Nordost QX4 // Burmester Ref 948
ROOM: Stillpoints Apertures // Acoustic Underlay
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HEADPHONE: Meze Empyrean // EAR Yoshino HP4 // Transparent Ultra 5 VIDEO: Dual Kaleidescape Cinema Ones // JVC DLA X700 4K // Screen Innovations 5

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Aries Cerat

Industry Expert

May 31, 2015

#7

Hello

Happy to be among the company of WBF.

Will be honored to have you in our premises for a listen.

Stavros

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LL21

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May 31, 2015

#8

Aries Cerat said:
Hello

Happy to be among the company of WBF.

Will be honored to have you in our premises for a listen.

Stavros

Stavros,

Many thanks for joining WBF. Your equipment is fascinating, and while i am completely "non-tech", i have spoken with a few more technically knowledeable people who have been quite impressed with your designs. Is it possible to hear your equipment in UK?

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SPEAKER: Wilson Alexandria XLF // Velodyne DD18+
SOURCE: Zanden 4-Box Digital + Waversa LAN Isolator EXT Reference Plus + QSA LAN Jitter Org Gold + Mullard NOS
AMPLIFIER: Robert Koda K15EX Super Ground + K160 Monos
CABLES: IC/SC: Transparent Opus 5 Digital: Z:Axis Ref SL-D I2S Power: Z:Axis SL777 // Sablon Prince Orange
ISOLATION: UNDER: SRA OhioXL // HRS M3X // Z:Axis // Stillpoints U6 + U7 DAMPING: 270kg + HRS, Artesania, Z:Axis
GROUNDING: Tripoint Troy SE // Entreq Dual Plutons + Olympus Infinity Tungsten + Max T Binding Posts
POWER: Dedicated Circuit + UPS // QSA IEC Jitter Gold + Torus AVR16 // Nordost QX4 // Burmester Ref 948
ROOM: Stillpoints Apertures // Acoustic Underlay
_____________________
HEADPHONE: Meze Empyrean // EAR Yoshino HP4 // Transparent Ultra 5 VIDEO: Dual Kaleidescape Cinema Ones // JVC DLA X700 4K // Screen Innovations 5

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Aries Cerat

Industry Expert

May 31, 2015

#9

Thank you for the welcome and kind words

Unfortunately,we do not yet have a UK distributor

Stavros

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LL21

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May 31, 2015

#10

Aries Cerat said:
Thank you for the welcome and kind words

Unfortunately,we do not yet have a UK distributor

Stavros

Stavros - understood...will let you know if we pass your way in Limassol.

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SPEAKER: Wilson Alexandria XLF // Velodyne DD18+
SOURCE: Zanden 4-Box Digital + Waversa LAN Isolator EXT Reference Plus + QSA LAN Jitter Org Gold + Mullard NOS
AMPLIFIER: Robert Koda K15EX Super Ground + K160 Monos
CABLES: IC/SC: Transparent Opus 5 Digital: Z:Axis Ref SL-D I2S Power: Z:Axis SL777 // Sablon Prince Orange
ISOLATION: UNDER: SRA OhioXL // HRS M3X // Z:Axis // Stillpoints U6 + U7 DAMPING: 270kg + HRS, Artesania, Z:Axis
GROUNDING: Tripoint Troy SE // Entreq Dual Plutons + Olympus Infinity Tungsten + Max T Binding Posts
POWER: Dedicated Circuit + UPS // QSA IEC Jitter Gold + Torus AVR16 // Nordost QX4 // Burmester Ref 948
ROOM: Stillpoints Apertures // Acoustic Underlay
_____________________
HEADPHONE: Meze Empyrean // EAR Yoshino HP4 // Transparent Ultra 5 VIDEO: Dual Kaleidescape Cinema Ones // JVC DLA X700 4K // Screen Innovations 5

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Narayan

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Aug 2, 2016

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bonzo75 said:
The Symphonia speaker retail is 52k euro, too much. I am headed down there sometime this summer, but later

Bonzo did you get a chance to listen to the Contendo speakers or any other Aries Cerat gear? I would love to read your opinion or those of other forum members, thanks.

bonzo75

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Aug 2, 2016

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Narayan said:
Bonzo did you get a chance to listen to the Contendo speakers or any other Aries Cerat gear? I would love to read your opinion or those of other forum members, thanks.

No, I still have to go down there.

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Narayan

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Aug 4, 2016

#13

Thank you for your reply bonzo, the Symphonia speakers sound phenomenal on the videos I´ve seen of them, so I can only imagine they will be much better in person, the top of the line Contendo Reference speakers must be something really special too.

Folsom

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Aug 4, 2016

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spiritofmusic said:
That's got to be one challenging room, Bonzo. If the Animas can sound good there, I tip my hat. They'll stay on my radar.

The potential problem is having the speakers too close together. Otherwise they have high directivity so their proximity to walls and size of the room as a factor is diminished to the point a pair of bookshelves would be harder to get to sound better in the room. On the same accord if the tweeter was a horn and the mid and bass were very large cones it would also have high directivity and interact better than a pair of bookshelves. For example Geddes speakers despite being huge monitors would integrate easier than bookshelves as well. The type of speaker that plays the hardest to integrate is one that uses a lot of small drivers. Von Schweikert's VR-11SE /MK2 would be a prime example of a harder to integrate speaker for that reason. But if you've got the room and capability to integrate it in, as so many here know, you get one hell of a good performance.

The way it works with driver size is the smaller the driver the more it disperses, and the larger the more it beams. This is frequency dependent too. For example a tweeter that was 1mm would disperse all over, but at the 25mm we're use to they beam a certain amount - especially in the 16-20khzish range.

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Leif S

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Aug 13, 2016

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Folsom said:
The potential problem is having the speakers too close together. Otherwise they have high directivity so their proximity to walls and size of the room as a factor is diminished to the point a pair of bookshelves would be harder to get to sound better in the room. On the same accord if the tweeter was a horn and the mid and bass were very large cones it would also have high directivity and interact better than a pair of bookshelves. For example Geddes speakers despite being huge monitors would integrate easier than bookshelves as well. The type of speaker that plays the hardest to integrate is one that uses a lot of small drivers. Von Schweikert's VR-11SE /MK2 would be a prime example of a harder to integrate speaker for that reason. But if you've got the room and capability to integrate it in, as so many here know, you get one hell of a good performance.

The way it works with driver size is the smaller the driver the more it disperses, and the larger the more it beams. This is frequency dependent too. For example a tweeter that was 1mm would disperse all over, but at the 25mm we're use to they beam a certain amount - especially in the 16-20khzish range.

You would be surprised on just how small of a room you can get the VR-11 SE MkII's to integrate in lol. That speaker has more adjustment controls than any other speaker I am aware of.

Folsom

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Aug 13, 2016

#16

Leif S said:
You would be surprised on just how small of a room you can get the VR-11 SE MkII's to integrate in lol. That speaker has more adjustment controls than any other speaker I am aware of.

I assume that comes with a grain of salt since you need, what, like 10ft ceilings for tip height?

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LL21

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Aug 13, 2016

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Narayan said:
Thank you for your reply bonzo, the Symphonia speakers sound phenomenal on the videos I´ve seen of them, so I can only imagine they will be much better in person, the top of the line Contendo Reference speakers must be something really special too.

Definitely interesting to hear feedback on their Contendo Reference. A somewhat different 4-tower reference system.

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SPEAKER: Wilson Alexandria XLF // Velodyne DD18+
SOURCE: Zanden 4-Box Digital + Waversa LAN Isolator EXT Reference Plus + QSA LAN Jitter Org Gold + Mullard NOS
AMPLIFIER: Robert Koda K15EX Super Ground + K160 Monos
CABLES: IC/SC: Transparent Opus 5 Digital: Z:Axis Ref SL-D I2S Power: Z:Axis SL777 // Sablon Prince Orange
ISOLATION: UNDER: SRA OhioXL // HRS M3X // Z:Axis // Stillpoints U6 + U7 DAMPING: 270kg + HRS, Artesania, Z:Axis
GROUNDING: Tripoint Troy SE // Entreq Dual Plutons + Olympus Infinity Tungsten + Max T Binding Posts
POWER: Dedicated Circuit + UPS // QSA IEC Jitter Gold + Torus AVR16 // Nordost QX4 // Burmester Ref 948
ROOM: Stillpoints Apertures // Acoustic Underlay
_____________________
HEADPHONE: Meze Empyrean // EAR Yoshino HP4 // Transparent Ultra 5 VIDEO: Dual Kaleidescape Cinema Ones // JVC DLA X700 4K // Screen Innovations 5

Leif S

Industry Expert

Aug 13, 2016

#18

Folsom said:
I assume that comes with a grain of salt since you need, what, like 10ft ceilings for tip height?

Lol

10ft would be nice

Right after Axpona Damon and I visited a gentleman who owns the second pair of VR-11's built. Both of us were in shock and awe when we entered the house and saw the listening position only 4ft back from the speakers. I was shocked to hear them like this and was quite surprised. But it was funny how Damon and I kept migrating behind the listening chair.

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