As I have said, using a ZeroStat on each of the binding posts on the Troy Signature with all the grounding wire in place has a very great positive effect, but it seems to not be lasting. Since the ZeroStat's ions are neutralizing static charge, somehow a charge is developing on the binding posts. But it may be that ultimately the static charge will go away. It is also possible that in some environments a static charge may not form. All that I can say is that even if I have to zap the binding posts for every listening session, I will do so. Miguel told me to try this.
Tripoint emperor : a breakthrough
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As I have said, using a ZeroStat on each of the binding posts on the Troy Signature with all the grounding wire in place has a very great positive effect, but it seems to not be lasting. Since the ZeroStat's ions are neutralizing static charge, somehow a charge is developing on the binding posts. But it may be that ultimately the static charge will go away. It is also possible that in some environments a static charge may not form. All that I can say is that even if I have to zap the binding posts for every listening session, I will do so. Miguel told me to try this.
great idea!
I've done some considerable messing around with anti-static products, and have tried the ZeroStat in the past to good effect. when I did try that, every time I found that a Tourmaline Gun worked better in degrees, with a more lasting effect. a Tourmaline Gun is essentially a modified heat gun/hair dryer which fires it's heated air though a screen filled with Tourmaline beads.
I have 3 or 4 Tourmaline Guns here sitting around currently unused, i'll try them soon on my Entreq to see it's effect. I have one that is battery powered and easier to use than the one's you have to plug in.
static is a constant companion. in research laboratories they use products that remove static prior to using certain types of test gear......it's really just like background noise.....static is part of what we hear, unless it gets removed. how do grounding and static relate? don't know but would guess that there is a connection as it's removal has similar effect to grounding improvement.
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I prefer to characterize the Troy and Emperor as a unique component that acts as a sink to remove as much degrading electronic noise as possible. We would probably all benefit from not calling it a grounding device. There really is no category of component into which this fits. It does not change the sound, or make it just a little more clear. It just let's the music come through in a completely transformed and positive manner. It's hard to discuss with someone who has not heard. The Emperor sounds to be to the Troy to the 10th degree.
Hi Audiocrack,I ground the walker at the grounding post on the back of the table between the rca interconnect connections.
I am so excited for you,that Emperor must be a revelation to have in the system.Maybe someday.
Robert
I am so excited for you,that Emperor must be a revelation to have in the system.Maybe someday.
Robert
Hello Robert, thanks for your reply. Apparenly your Walker turntable is of more recent vintage than my Walker table because I have no (separate) grounding post available at the back of my table. So I need to find another solution.
As regards the Tripoint emperor: to an interested audiophile who contacted me offline I wrote last week that I was dumbfounded by what the emperor was doing in my system. At that time I had only connected my various Taralabs grandmaster evolution ic's to the emperor. This weekend I inserted a second Thor se, connected to my Trinity pc & drive. This created a cumulative effect: the sound became even more natural and pure as well as more transparent. Also I experience more speed/explosiveness, although I do not know whether any technical explanation for this feeling of added speed/dynamics can be found.
I have one Thor se left for my Kondo m1000 preamp. I am pretty sure this will be a big step again, very likely even the most important one. If you take into account that the second Thor se is new, that is this cable is not broken in yet. and that the same applies to the emperor itsself as it is not stable yet, this promises to be a very exciting music journey indeed.
If you are in a position to do so, please give the emperor a listen. I assure you that after this experience your audiophile life will never be the same again. It is that good.
Added third Tripoint Thor se to my Kondo preamp. As I had expected again a big step forward.
Miguel is extremely pleased with the sonic results by using an anti static gun on all the binding posts of his emperor. According to him the results are spectacular although (so far) they only last for about 24 hours. Norm was equally enthusiastic about his Troy signature and Thor se's after using his anti static gun. I have not tried it yet because my new two Thor se cables and the emperor need to break in. But I have arranged for such a gun and will report my findings once I have tried it. But in light of the experiences of Miguel and Norm there is little doubt in my mind that anti static treatment of the Troy signature and emperor will raise the musical bar once again.
Miguel is extremely pleased with the sonic results by using an anti static gun on all the binding posts of his emperor. According to him the results are spectacular although (so far) they only last for about 24 hours. Norm was equally enthusiastic about his Troy signature and Thor se's after using his anti static gun. I have not tried it yet because my new two Thor se cables and the emperor need to break in. But I have arranged for such a gun and will report my findings once I have tried it. But in light of the experiences of Miguel and Norm there is little doubt in my mind that anti static treatment of the Troy signature and emperor will raise the musical bar once again.
Since the function of the ZeroStat is to reduce static electrical charges, one wonders where it came from. Also since I have experienced benefits from treating cables before, is this just the same thing but of greater magnitude? All that I can say is that when the image shrinks, it is time to treat again. Treating other wires is nowhere near as effective.
Just to ensure that you guys do not think that I am the only one who is flabbergasted by the performance of the Tripoint emperor, I enclose the following link:
http://audioexotics.hk/index.php?op...forumId=1&parentId=11600&topic=true&Itemid=53
http://audioexotics.hk/index.php?op...forumId=1&parentId=11600&topic=true&Itemid=53
All that I can say is that I know what damage static charges on a wooden floor do to the sound of cables. From when I lived in the North I'm accustomed to me zapping the component rather than it me. In this case I have never seen any evidence of a spark, etc. I recently zapped the binding posts on my speakers. I could hear a difference but it was much less impressive.
All that I really know is that this treatment of the Signature works great.
I knew Miguel was making these devices for this show and later read these over the top comments. I wish I had been at this show.
'TBG' that's because you or the ZeroStat is what is developing the charge (the ZeroStat has opposite polarity of what vinyl records normally have). Be real careful just what you ZeroStat, the inputs to integrated circuits can get damaged by static. That's way when you work inside computers and the like you make sure that the computer and you are grounded.
On another note, decades ago I found out that the early Soundstream digital recorder was sensitive to static. It was a cold (for Atlanta) dry day. I touched one of the control switches and the recorder changed modes. Luckily we weren't recording at the time because even way back the recording time was $200 a minute.
On another note, decades ago I found out that the early Soundstream digital recorder was sensitive to static. It was a cold (for Atlanta) dry day. I touched one of the control switches and the recorder changed modes. Luckily we weren't recording at the time because even way back the recording time was $200 a minute.
Om
Kevin, trying to understand what you are actually saying. Do you mean that using an anti static gun in combination with a Tripoint Troy signature or emperor may cause damages? If so, damages to what? Could you please explain in more detail? Miguel sold a very large number of Troys all over the world and never one failed or caused any problems. So clearly the Tripoint devices are very stable and reliable (and built like a tank I can assure you after lifting the emperor and getting this 'beast' up and running into my system). So I suppose you are not referring to the Troy or emperor in particular but using anti static guns on binding post in general?
Kevin, trying to understand what you are actually saying. Do you mean that using an anti static gun in combination with a Tripoint Troy signature or emperor may cause damages? If so, damages to what? Could you please explain in more detail? Miguel sold a very large number of Troys all over the world and never one failed or caused any problems. So clearly the Tripoint devices are very stable and reliable (and built like a tank I can assure you after lifting the emperor and getting this 'beast' up and running into my system). So I suppose you are not referring to the Troy or emperor in particular but using anti static guns on binding post in general?
What I mean:
a] Almost all the terminals & connectors on hi-fi components and AC power units when interconnected have a resistive path to the Safety Ground conductor which is connected to the power company Neutral which is connected to Mother Earth. So any static charge will quickly drain away. It's the moving human (or cat) that builds up the static charge that causes a spark.
b] Some integrated circuit inputs (both analog & digital) can be damaged or eventually destroyed by static. So use care when dealing with inputs or computer cards.
c] No, static should not damage any AC power connections.
d] The Soundstream type problem is covered in "The Art of Electronics" book, section 8.35 Congenital weaknesses of TTL and CMOS.
a] Almost all the terminals & connectors on hi-fi components and AC power units when interconnected have a resistive path to the Safety Ground conductor which is connected to the power company Neutral which is connected to Mother Earth. So any static charge will quickly drain away. It's the moving human (or cat) that builds up the static charge that causes a spark.
b] Some integrated circuit inputs (both analog & digital) can be damaged or eventually destroyed by static. So use care when dealing with inputs or computer cards.
c] No, static should not damage any AC power connections.
d] The Soundstream type problem is covered in "The Art of Electronics" book, section 8.35 Congenital weaknesses of TTL and CMOS.
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