I hear ya' Bruce on the reference point but wouldn't that be more for the recording end of things and not the playback end that a normal (read not a recording engineer) consumer would use?
Tom
Caesar.
Not all audiophiles care about flat measuring gear - anyone having tube amplifiers knows he his not getting flat responses.
And there are many definitions of flat room. Can we have yours?
Here is the thing about the room. It adds a constant distortion to what we are hearing. The cognitive part of the brain adapts and dials out fair bit of this. This is why speakers don't all sound the same in the same room. And how we forget after a bit that the room impacted the sound of the speaker when we first turn it on in a new room.
Where this doesn't happen is the low frequency response and that should be corrected. Having the equipment not be flat there just adds to the complexity of the problem.
Maybe I just don't get your point, but if your gear does not replicate the recording then its just another musical instrument that adds its tone to each and every recording blending them into something you want and not what the recording engineer thought you wanted...ahahahahah
Depends on the technology and how it is used. Some will use multiple mics or single mic and multiple measurements. In either case you can choose where you put the mic.Interesting, Amir. The reality most audiophiles live with is that they don't buy into correction and have huge peaks and dips. (For the record, I don't mind correction in the lower register where we "feel the music", but I am leery of it in midbass and upper bass where we "hear the music".)
Do the best correction products today completely flatten the room response in the entire room or just a certain radius around the sweet spot?
Why is that? Is it irrational?
Caesar.
Not all audiophiles care about flat measuring gear - anyone having tube amplifiers knows he his not getting flat responses.
And there are many definitions of flat room. Can we have yours?
I am never surprised to hear nice improvements in listening from nonlinear gear like tubes. IMO, many folks are simply using nonlinear gear to tailor their preferred target curve sans DSP. There's nothing wrong with that. However, there are better (and much cheaper) ways to do it.
I didn't know tube amps were not flat. Our amps are 1/2 db down from 2Hz-200KHz. But you can't please everyone...
Funny- tubes can be very linear, much more so than transistors. This has been well-known for decades. But tubes are always getting nicked for being 'nonlinear'. Its not always the tubes that are nonlinear, its often the designs. Tubes are so linear that you can build zero feedback amplifiers with them fairly easily. That's pretty hard with transistors. But interestingly, some of the better sounding if not best sounding transistor amplifiers are zero feedback (Nelson Pass First Watt for example).
...Its obvious that our ears are not linear (logarithmic seems closer to the mark)- they seem to not care about certain kinds of distortions, and then care a lot about others (higher ordered harmonics are a good example of the latter)...
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