IMHO if we need a few months education to appreciate something in sound reproduction the problem is in the equipment, not in the listener. YMMV.
Magico S5's in the house...
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IMHO if we need a few months education to appreciate something in sound reproduction the problem is in the equipment, not in the listener. YMMV.
Yes I agree, that logic means people will get used to water boarding and spill their guts in a month or two...lol
Well I continue to see if I can get used to the radically different bass on the S5's.
I take back what I said about the bass rolling off. It does go down deep and on certain material there's no shortage of bass. It is impressive that it can go so low and clean without a port.
stereo's suggestion that Wilson's bass hump between 80 and 100k is responsible for the perception that they have more bass. I would have thought it was lower than that.
I take back what I said about the bass rolling off. It does go down deep and on certain material there's no shortage of bass. It is impressive that it can go so low and clean without a port.
stereo's suggestion that Wilson's bass hump between 80 and 100k is responsible for the perception that they have more bass. I would have thought it was lower than that.
I tink Stereo is incorrect.
Personal attack comment "edited". This is not a Wilson vs. Magico thread. None of us can tell MadFloyd what he does/should like. Offer hypotheses or await more listening observations, but don't attack other members for their opinion.
Lee
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I'm not trying to say what MadFloyd should like. I take issue with Stereo's usual incorrect Wilson attacks. It's all about your sound flavor choice preference. That said sorry for getting personal.
I watch you and some of your Wilson buddies derail many Magico threads. Usually without adding any valuable information that can enhance anyone knowledge.
I don’t see any Magico fans doing the same on Wilson threads. Before we get this thread shut down, I would ask if you can find it within you to simply stay on your side of the track.
We all know your position, there is no need to inject it over and over again.
really ? Any Magico thread I have seen usually has a bunch of their fanboys bringing up Wilson first. This thread is unique since Floyd now has both magico and Wilson. Your hands are far from clean. Cheers !
It is better than spending 20 years trying to correct what is not correctable (A Wilson frustrated (ex)owner for that long)
I remember when I was a young adult, I had speakers that were built by a friend of mine. He didn't really know what he was doing and they didn't sound very good - hardly audiophile. At the time I had no money for speakers and was happy to have them.
A few years later I bought my own pair of speakers. I purchased them from a good audio shop and didn't really audition the. I simply took the advice of a salesman (whom I happened to know and trust). He warned me that they were considered pretty flat and it might take me a while to get used to them.
He was right. At first I thought they were pretty bland sounding. I listened to music as a whole back then, not individual instruments. I just cared that there was bass and that they played Deep Purple and other classic rock nice and loud. Later when I started playing bass I started to appreciate my flat speakers as I could follow bass guitar lines. I still like a solid foundation, but if it's muddy or boomy in any way I'm not very engaged.
All this to say that if you're attuned to a certain sound, especially if it has emphasis in certain frequency ranges - or even distortion, it can take you a while to adjust when you hear a system without those characteristics.
After all, think of the occasional young drivers who pass by with a zillion subs in their car and super hot treble - i.e. anything but a flat frequency response. We wouldn't say that their inability to enjoy a flat presentation was the fault of the gear, would we?
Nailed it. Perfect. Congrats, MadFloyd.
I haven't played bass (or any instrument) in forever, but I know the sound. And it was a revelation when I could, all of a sudden, perfectly hear the bass lines, even in the middle of LOUD COMPRESSED passages of progressive rock, with a zillion of other instruments. Or how you can hear the perfect attack of a Rickenbacker bass (see the new Yes re-mixes for some incredible detail in old recordings).
My take is that Wilson is all about that bass hump, with lots of overhang, and no speed. And, as you perfectly pointed out, you get used to that, and anything different than that is, well, not good enough.
alexandre
Here's one thing I agree with you. It's all about flavouring!
Some people like their sound with LOTS of it. And some like it with very, very little added to it.
alexandre
Previous Response
Hi Ian,
I'm fuming, because I spent over an hour writing down fairly comprehensive thoughts and suggestions for your present quandary, submitted it, and it hasn't shown up on the forum. WTH?
I don't have time to reconstruct that, unfortunately, but it was a lot of time invested in the Emperor's New Clothes, apparently. Thanks to WBF staff!
Frustrating!
Hope you're making progress on your setup.
Very Best,
David
Hi Ian,
I'm fuming, because I spent over an hour writing down fairly comprehensive thoughts and suggestions for your present quandary, submitted it, and it hasn't shown up on the forum. WTH?
I don't have time to reconstruct that, unfortunately, but it was a lot of time invested in the Emperor's New Clothes, apparently. Thanks to WBF staff!
Frustrating!
Hope you're making progress on your setup.
Very Best,
David
If this is the post it is very much here.....
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...s-in-the-house&p=277851&viewfull=1#post277851
To be honest, I've seen so much Wilson bias over the years its nice to read something different
Caveat- I don't own either brand.
To be honest, I've seen so much Wilson bias over the years its nice to read something different
Caveat- I don't own either brand.
like democrat versus republican..lol
I don't really understand the question. We did nothing to the minis and tried every conceivable setting on the JL subs, including rotating each a full 360 and listening every 20 degrees or so. On the subs, we tried the phase dial, the volume dial, the cut off dial. They just could not integrate fully with the Minis. If you check out my room photos, you may notice that there is a space to either side of my fireplace that perhaps contributed to the difficulty of integrating the subs.
I'll reiterate. The sound did improve in terms of bass weight and extension, but it was at the expense of midrange clarity. I chose the latter.
Congratulations on the S3.
I dont agree with that, imo it has to do with the stiffnes (non absorbing ) housingmaterial, X over filter out lay and probably amp speakermatching, the wilsons might be an easier load and sound more jumpy its rather a plus then a negative imo as where reproduced music falls short versus the real thing is at first livelike (micro)dynamics i doubt you will see much in the fr response did you use the same amps madfloyd ??
Gat yourself an RTA app and look at the region these notes are jumping at you. You will soon notice that they do jump, on everything you listen to (perhaps not in the same intensity as they do with a sax). It is not dynamic range, it is uneven power response. Once you “hear” that coloration, it is all over
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