Bergmann Sleipner

rnsa2000 · Jun 29, 2014

Hi guys,

I'm 2 weeks with the Bergmann Sleipner in my system, I am using Transfiguration Proteus cartridge and Gryphon Legato Legacy phonostage.

I was very impressed with the system of air compression and vacuum. It seems that the cartridge was literally floating on the disc, lowering the noise level of the system. This analog system is the quietest I've heard today, my setup is playing to its fullest and find it hard to overcome achieve this result.

Had anyone any experience with this turntable?

I'm using XLR connection on the turntable and LEMO connection on Legato Legacy. In your opinion, RCA connection on the turntable would be better to XLR? The circuit of Legato Legacy is fully balanced and dualmono.

Some pictures:

Best regards,
Ricardo Nonato.

JackD201 · Jun 29, 2014

My mouth waters every time I see the design of your table. Your room is mouth watering too. It looks like it can be an entry in CASA COR.

rnsa2000 · Jun 29, 2014

Jack,

thank you very much for your nice words.

I love the CASA COR, I was the last that occurred last year here in Rio de Janeiro.

Nice regards,
Ricardo Nonato.

Joao@altheamusica · Jun 30, 2014

Oi Ricardo

nice system you have - congratulation. I think the Lemo connectors to be the best you can get

Would be nice if we can meet us when I'm in Rio next time. In which district do you live; I love Jardim Botanico and Leblon. Unfortunately my beloved record store (Modern Sound) is closed...

Ate proxima é boa sorte para o selecao brasilira.
Joao

rnsa2000 · Jun 30, 2014

Oi Joao,

thanks for your comment.

I heard from a friend that the XLR connection of the turntable is not ideal, RCA would be better. I got this question and would like to hear from you about it.

Most phono stage uses RCA connection, few phono stage using other connection types such as XLR, LEMO, etc...

When you next come to RJ, send me a message and we combine a meet. Where are you form?

The Brazilian team will need luck, as it comes not playing well.

Best regards,
Ricardo Nonato.

Garth · Jun 30, 2014

rnsa2000 · Jun 30, 2014

Garth,

thanks!!!!!!

trueblue · Jul 1, 2014

If you wish to run balanced you can not use RCA. For balanced use, Lemo connectors are offering a superior connection compared to XLR XLR

Joao@altheamusica · Jul 1, 2014

Ricardo Nonato said:
Oi Joao,

thanks for your comment.

I heard from a friend that the XLR connection of the turntable is not ideal, RCA would be better. I got this question and would like to hear from you about it.

Most phono stage uses RCA connection, few phono stage using other connection types such as XLR, LEMO, etc...

When you next come to RJ, send me a message and we combine a meet. Where are you form?

The Brazilian team will need luck, as it comes not playing well.

Best regards,
Ricardo Nonato.

Caro Ricardo

there exist different opinions about the "real" connection of the turntable - better said cartridge to phono stage. Cartridges are a symmetrical source and so XLR connectors can be the better way of course - if your phono input is really symmetrical (for example a MC-Stepup-transformer). In the end it's a matter of combination and you have to experiment and find out by yourself...

I use a MC-Transformer and RCA-Connectors, but with LEMO because I find them the best connectors. Anyway, I will experiment with symmetrical inputs as well and then I can tell you more.

Entao, I will send you a message when I will return to RJ - eu ador a cidade maravilhosa. My frind Carlos Alberto just closed his audio distribution, Tone Audio, some months ago. I met the owners of Audio Pax at the Munich High-End show... and last: I love Bossa Nova.

I live in Switzerland and if you are welcome here as well. You can send me an e-Mail - info@altheamusica.com - and we can keep in touch...

Let's have a look on Friday for the quarter final (I'm a fan of the selecao)!!! and keep our fingers crossed.

Kind regards
Joao

trueblue · Jul 1, 2014

There are 2 different subjects at play here.

1. Using a balanced phonostage or a traditional single ended phono stage ?

2. IF using a balanced phonostage, should you use XLR or Lemo. ?

IMHO, 3 pin balanced Lemo is a much better connector for such low signal transfer.

rockitman · Jul 1, 2014

The cleanest looking turntable in the business. I bet it sounds grand.

Garth · Jul 1, 2014

rnsa2000 · Jul 1, 2014

Joao@altheamusica said:
Caro Ricardo

there exist different opinions about the "real" connection of the turntable - better said cartridge to phono stage. Cartridges are a symmetrical source and so XLR connectors can be the better way of course - if your phono input is really symmetrical (for example a MC-Stepup-transformer). In the end it's a matter of combination and you have to experiment and find out by yourself...

I use a MC-Transformer and RCA-Connectors, but with LEMO because I find them the best connectors. Anyway, I will experiment with symmetrical inputs as well and then I can tell you more.

Entao, I will send you a message when I will return to RJ - eu ador a cidade maravilhosa. My frind Carlos Alberto just closed his audio distribution, Tone Audio, some months ago. I met the owners of Audio Pax at the Munich High-End show... and last: I love Bossa Nova.

I live in Switzerland and if you are welcome here as well. You can send me an e-Mail - info@altheamusica.com - and we can keep in touch...

Let's have a look on Friday for the quarter final (I'm a fan of the selecao)!!! and keep our fingers crossed.

Kind regards
Joao

Dear Joao,

the connection of my cartridge / turntable is XLR and the connection of my phono stage is LEMO, in my opinion the Gryphon products benefit the most of the XLR connection because your circuits is fully balanced and dual mono.

I put this question because I have a friend who tested the Bergmann Sleipner with Gryphon Legato Legacy SA in his system and told me he liked the phono stage very digital. I did not realize that the Gryphon Legato Legacy SA is digital in my system, on the contrary, I think it's one of the best analog combinations that I had the opportunity to hear.

I have a cable that was made especially for use in the Sleipner and Legacy Legato. One end is XLR and the other end is LEMO.

Carlos Alberto was also my friend, but unfortunately he died a short time, as well as died Eduardo de Lima who was the founder of Audiopax. They were two deep knowledge of audio systems, tubes, etc.

Your email is noted. My email: ric_macosx@hotmail.com

And the Brazilian team go to the next stage.

Nice regards,
Ricardo.

rnsa2000 · Jul 1, 2014

trueblue said:
If you wish to run balanced you can not use RCA. For balanced use, Lemo connectors are offering a superior connection compared to XLR XLR

I'm using XLR on the turntable and LEMO on phono stage.

rnsa2000 · Jul 1, 2014

Garth said:
Ricardo

I use a XLR on my phono cable Going into the Balanced Phono amp a Burmester 100 the other end of the phono cable due to the fact I have a Tri-planner arm is hard wired thru the arm up to the cartridge. I have a all balanced system and I like it better than RCA no grounding problems cables seem to stay put better.

You need to try what works for you if RCA sounds better fine if XLR sounds better fine use what works in your system. Each system has its own personality why something works or does not work is only explainable some of the time. The rest is luck a mystery or someone saying they know why but often they just took a shot in the dark.

I like to put something in my system if it is not horrid leave for a week or so then take it out for a week or so if you can not live without it you have your answer. So many things sound different and that is easy to hear better is a little harder because is it better or a trade off.

Rocketman is right a very clean looking table it was one on my short list before I bought.

Garth,

I'm loving the result of this analog set (Gryphon Legato Legacy SA + Transfiguration + Protheus Bergmann Sleipner). I would just like to know what others think about the XLR and RCA connections on the turntable and phono stage.

Your feedback is very important to me because I realize that I'm walking a good way.

Nice regards,
Ricardo.

Joao@altheamusica · Jul 2, 2014

trueblue said:
There are 2 different subjects at play here.
1. Using a balanced phonostage or a traditional single ended phono stage ?
2. IF using a balanced phonostage, should you use XLR or Lemo. ?
IMHO, 3 pin balanced Lemo is a much better connector for such low signal transfer.

I agree here with you...
another choice is using a MC-Transformer with balanced primary followed by a single ended phono stage!

Joao@altheamusica · Jul 2, 2014

Ricardo Nonato said:
Dear Joao,

the connection of my cartridge / turntable is XLR and the connection of my phono stage is LEMO, in my opinion the Gryphon products benefit the most of the XLR connection because your circuits is fully balanced and dual mono.

I put this question because I have a friend who tested the Bergmann Sleipner with Gryphon Legato Legacy SA in his system and told me he liked the phono stage very digital. I did not realize that the Gryphon Legato Legacy SA is digital in my system, on the contrary, I think it's one of the best analog combinations that I had the opportunity to hear.

I have a cable that was made especially for use in the Sleipner and Legacy Legato. One end is XLR and the other end is LEMO.

Carlos Alberto was also my friend, but unfortunately he died a short time, as well as died Eduardo de Lima who was the founder of Audiopax. They were two deep knowledge of audio systems, tubes, etc.

Your email is noted. My email: ric_macosx@hotmail.com

And the Brazilian team go to the next stage.

Nice regards,
Ricardo.

Dear Ricardo

of course the balanced mode is a benefit when your phono is real balanced design and in my opinion the Lemo conenctors are the best available - a good choice from Gryphon, but not common (which is XLR). Maybe it will b a good idea to convetr the XLR to Lemo as well...

I have designed a special phono stage with JFets and interstage transformer coupling of stages, absolutely quiet at 72dB gain. Sounds really great and very close to my tube versions.

It's always sad to loose friends - I noticed that Eduardo passed away but I was not informed that Carlos Alberto died as well (just was surprised that he didn't responsed my notes).
I am so sad... can you send me an e-Mail with some details?

Kind regards
Joao

rnsa2000 · Jul 15, 2014

Interesting review!!!

http://www.bergmannaudio.com/media/pub/sleipnerhifistatement-1_web.pdf

joeling · Sep 21, 2014

Oops wrong thread sorry

rnsa2000 · Oct 10, 2014

http://www.analogplanet.com/content...reference-turntabletonearm-not-horsing-around

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