Don't people realize that the rips you get off these SACD's from a PS3 are ...... let's say. questionable?
I can rip a SACD from a PS3 and do it again using the Sonoma. They are 2 totally different files. Even the track lengths are different!
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Don't people realize that the rips you get off these SACD's from a PS3 are ...... let's say. questionable?
I can rip a SACD from a PS3 and do it again using the Sonoma. They are 2 totally different files. Even the track lengths are different!
The PS3 rips still sound better than playing the SACD through a transport (I did the comparison using the EMM TSDX transport into the DAC2X)
Are you saying that using the PS3 results in ripping errors?
Yes!
And Bruce is correct, ripping by a PS3 has so many variables : condition of the PS3/laser head, power quality to PS3, cables ...etc
Yes!
And Bruce is correct, ripping by a PS3 has so many variables : condition of the PS3/laser head, power quality to PS3, cables ...etc
The one instance I am aware of a DSD download sounding better than the SACD rip is the AP "Tea for the Tillerman", but that's because the download is a direct transfer from analog to DSD, while the SACD was derived from a PCM master. I will check out the Mahler symphonies.
Of course a PS3 can malfunction, but I am sure that can happen with a Sonoma workstation too
The one instance I am aware of a DSD download sounding better than the SACD rip is the AP "Tea for the Tillerman", but that's because the download is a direct transfer from analog to DSD, while the SACD was derived from a PCM master. I will check out the Mahler symphonies.
Of course a PS3 can malfunction, but I am sure that can happen with a Sonoma workstation too
Hi dmnc02,
Please don't misunderstand, I am a supporter of DSD file playback and in fact own many PS3-ripped DSD files. Most of them are very enjoyable.
Native DSD files are quite expensive so I only buy native files of my favorite albums.
Yes!
And Bruce is correct, ripping by a PS3 has so many variables : condition of the PS3/laser head, power quality to PS3, cables ...etc
Also the thing with the PS3, you're tied to what the mastering engineer authored the disc by. Misplaced markers, incorrect codes and a whole slew of other things can actually leave out a lot of material. There are several ghost and bonus tracks that don't rip on a PS3 and also I've had missing movements, artist chatter and other things that don't get included with a rip. I didn't figure this out until I was trying to line these things up and the transfers I was doing on the Sonoma were 5-10min longer than the PS3 rips.
And lets not get into the A/B and null tests....
Sorry.... we're getting off topic.....
Sure, agreed. I am just very interested in understanding this better, since if this is widespread I might have to buy again some DSD downloads to replace my PS3 rips. I compared a few (by listening, not by null tests) and noticed no difference, with the one exception mentioned above.
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Well, you started it and it is an interesting topic. What you are saying above is much more limited than what you seemed to hint to in your earlier post.
Sure. It's at https://www.highresaudio.com/artist.php?abid=232643
There's also a write-up on the album in Positive Feedback at http://positive-feedback.com/Issue76/stockfisch.htm
It's a Country Music album recorded in the pre-PCM era with Ribbon Microphones and Analog Gear. Nice.
And don't forget some of the other recommended DSD Downloads from the review. (See http://positive-feedback.com/Issue76/lampizator_dac.htm)
In particular, the album "In Summer" from Challenge Jazz on Native DSD is a stunner with the DSD DAC !
According to the developer of sacd-ripper (the program used for SACD ripping on the PS3), the drive "will do the error correction and the re-reading of sectors it couldn't read". In addition, all reading errors are logged.
According to Stereophile (http://www.stereophile.com/content/first-time-ever-mahler-download-dsd) the DSD downloads of the SFO Mahler project were sourced directly from the edit masters and are not copies of the SACDs. Given that, I do believe they have the potential of sounding better. I am downloading a couple to sample.
Aren't there additional steps involved in going from the edit master to the SACD cutting master?
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