Any thoughts on Verity Audio Lohengrin II
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Not necessarily. I owned the Parsifals Encores, which measured a lot worse the Revel Studios they replaced, but sounded better (to me).
They're wonderful musical speakers, among the very best that you can buy today. Spent the last two CES with them in the Lamm room and many hours in a friend's room in NYC who owns a pair. They're big speakers but depending on your choice of music will sound quite intimate, something that some others in its class can't accomplish.
They are an easy load and as Myles pointed out they were driven with the 18 watt Lamm ML2 SETs but for best results they had to be bi- wired with two pairs of them. The higher powered ML3 can easily drive them so can other amplifiers with slightly more power than 18 watts. Set up is straightforward and no more demanding than any other speaker, your room is the deciding factor on that. You won't go wrong with them!
david
You have to hear them Bjorn before dispensing this kind of negative advice. Verity makes some of the best speakers in every category and have been for quite some time.
david
Speakers that measures very unevenly will never sound good with a variety of music IMO. They may impress you at the first. But in the long run they will end up favoring some type of music which one easily gets bored of and not come close to a speaker that meausures correctly.
I've heard enough, had similar speakers and experienced enough with EQ to know this. But whatever floats your boat. I prefer something that sounds real and gives me an illusion of listening to the real thing.
I've heard enough, had similar speakers and experienced enough with EQ to know this. But whatever floats your boat. I prefer something that sounds real and gives me an illusion of listening to the real thing.
I don't know any other speakers like the Lohengrin II, what similar speakers are you referring to? I understand your point regarding hifi speakers but the Lohengrin is a very natural and musical, it gets out of the way and doesn't try to impress you with anything. No disco here.
david
Firstly; A speaker and a room can't be separated. In order to achieve an even response (not flat!) in small rooms like we're talking about you need both speakers that have a good power response, work on placement in the room, do acoustic treatment and in most cases separate subwoofers is needed.
There are some frontfiring speakers that have a pretty good power response. PSB has been mentioned. Others like expensive versions of Revel and Kef. However, no frontfiring box speakers can macth the best horns or CBT speakers. Neither when it comes to power response, dynamics or distortion. Dipoles and cardioid speakers can also have a very good power response but they have some other weaknesses. The very best speakers are DIY speakers where size doesn't matter and the speaker system is set up with an active cross over and a separate bass system with proper signal aligment. Size matters when it comes to effortless and giving a true illusion. One commercial good speaker that can be recommended though, as long as you use a subwoofer, is Klipsch Jubilee which doesn't exists in Klipsch's catalogue but it's sold only to those who asks spesifically for it. They require to be placed in two corners. Different CBT speakers sold by Audioartistry, Selah-Audio and Partsexpress is another.
But you've never heard the Verity speakers? And you have a credible opinion? Sorry and no offense to PSB but I want to have whatever you're smoking if you think the PSB is superior to the big Verity speakers. BTW Julian and company are no dopes.
So you can tell by one measurement -- when it takes leading speaker manufacturers up to five measurements such as impedance, polar response, etc. (with FR being near the bottom of the list) -- how a speaker sounds. Think you oughta give up your day job and start designing speakers.
I stand by Myles 100% here. I know the speaker very well. DIY speakers the best? Wow. Don't have the words in the typewriter to respond to that one.
Please post your opinions and the system people were using on them. I have read great thinks about them.
DIY might be good once in a blue moon, depending on what you call DIY. Geoff Cook (a colleague of John Curl and Bascom King and somewhat well-known for his Phase Linear 700 mods) made some very impressive speakers in the mid-70's utilizing about a dozen 4" mids and 2 Altec compression drivers (without the horns) on a curved front baffle with his own passive crossover design, used with a custom subwoofer again with his own active X-over and amp. But that's the question; is it still DIY when the builder is essentially an audio manufacturer?
It's well know from researches that speakers that are correct and with a well behaved power response are preferrred. But of course that's when testet blindly. Sighted tests don't always speak the truth and bias come into place.
A polar response is seldom published and never by these so called "high-end" brands. And no wonder why; they would reveal an ugly truth. However, the combination of on-axis and off-axis measurements do show a great deal and is also what a polar response is made up of.
http://seanolive.blogspot.no/2009/04/dishonesty-of-sighted-audio-product.html
Here's Verity Audio Sarastro II measured:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/verity-audio-sarastro-ii-loudspeaker-measurements
Despite not being a speaker designer, I don't think I would have much trouble producing a better speaker then the Sarastro II for a fraction of the price. Whether a reviewer would prefer it in sighted test, is however doubtful looking at their listening performance.
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