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edorr

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A new spin on job losses, read this carefully!

“Opportunity created by affordable, quality health insurance allows families in America to make a decision about how they will work, or if they will work.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...be-emblazoned-on-the-tombstone-of-liberalism/

I people VOLUNTARILY decide to leave a job they held just to get health insurance, and get coverage through Obamacare instead, their income goes down and their quality of life improves. The job itself does not "go away" (someone else will take it). At the macro level, labor participation rate goes down and GDP per capita goes down (who cares?), but quality of life goes up. The conservative spin on this analysis is a monumental joke.
 

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I people VOLUNTARILY decide to leave a job they held just to get health insurance, and get coverage through Obamacare instead, their income goes down and their quality of life improves. The job itself does not "go away" (someone else will take it). At the macro level, labor participation rate goes down and GDP per capita goes down (who cares?), but quality of life goes up. The conservative spin on this analysis is a monumental joke.

If you call sitting around with your hand out quality life. Then there are the rest of us who have to work to provide the lazy ones with their quality life.
 

edorr

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If you call sitting around with your hand out quality life. Then there are the rest of us who have to work to provide the lazy ones with their quality life.

Where did you read about the hand out part? If you voluntarily give up your job you get no handout. These are people that can support themselves financially, with the exception of healthcare cost (or complete lack of access because of pre-existing condition) pre Obamacare.
 

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Where did you read about the hand out part? If you voluntarily give up your job you get no handout. These are people that can support themselves financially, with the exception of healthcare cost (or complete lack of access because of pre-existing condition) pre Obamacare.

They're talking about the subsidies that the rest of us have to pay for, nothing to do with kool-aid you're thinking of. Here it is;


and you can read the link I posted above and here it is again;

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-party-of-less-work-103184.html#ixzz2se7EeKie
 

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I people VOLUNTARILY decide to leave a job they held just to get health insurance, and get coverage through Obamacare instead, their income goes down and their quality of life improves. The job itself does not "go away" (someone else will take it). At the macro level, labor participation rate goes down and GDP per capita goes down (who cares?), but quality of life goes up. The conservative spin on this analysis is a monumental joke.

The CBO testified that we will lose over 2 million jobs in the next 10 years due to Obamacare. So the CBO is into conservative spin these days eh?
 

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The CBO testified that we will lose over 2 million jobs in the next 10 years due to Obamacare. So the CBO is into conservative spin these days eh?

They say 2 million people will voluntarily leave the workforce and labor participation rate will drop accordingly. These jobs won't be gone - other people will fill them. This is a good thing.
 

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They say 2 million people will voluntarily leave the workforce and labor participation rate will drop accordingly. These jobs won't be gone - other people will fill them. This is a good thing.

In which universe is this a good thing?
 

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..give it up ddk...arguing with a liberal is like playing pickup sticks with your butt cheeks....an impossibility :D
 

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In which universe is this a good thing?

In mine. Case in point. If I lost my job pre Obamacare, I would have to desperately find a job (any job) which has health care coverage, because my wife has pre-existing condition and I cannot get insurance on private market (or pay $5K / month). With Obamacare, I could get coverage for $1K month, and decide for myself if I wanted to retire or not (plenty coming in to cover living expenses), and if I decided I wanted to work a few more years, I'd look for a job I actually wanted, or start my own business (in audio preferably). If I decided to retire, I'd be one of the COB's 2 million, which is a good thing, because I would not be with my back against the wall for a job with health care coverage.
 

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..give it up ddk...arguing with a liberal is like playing pickup sticks with your butt cheeks....an impossibility :D

Sometimes they actually try to construct a coherent argument, instead of repeating clueless soundbites picked up on Fox, which greatly offends conservative sensibilities.
 

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Really? Does it count that I actually saw the testimony? It may surprise you that I really do have the ability to think for myself but then I'm sure you won't accept that either. You're sounding more and more elitist edoor. Welcome to the progressive left :)

..your friendly flat earther/cold hearted/uninformed/intolerant Christian conservative (did I miss anything?) ;)
 

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Obamacare is just another change that little to no help will,occur. Our health c are is most defiantly in need of change but anyone who has a good idea is not listened to . The Clinton's tried it and managed to make different people wealthy . It's not the dr,s it's the HMO,s . Now we have the next change where Do I go or what kind of company can I open to be part of the next money making crowd with this.

Al
 

edorr

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Really? Does it count that I actually saw the testimony? It may surprise you that I really do have the ability to think for myself but then I'm sure you won't accept that either. You're sounding more and more elitist edoor. Welcome to the progressive left :)

Yet you dismiss the notion that I may be thinking for myself as well and simply come to different conclusions. Easier to go straight to mudslinging and classify me as clueless elitist liberal, than having to respond to an actual argument (which I offered)


..your friendly flat earther/cold hearted/uninformed/intolerant Christian conservative (did I miss anything?) ;)

You got all bases covered. As a conservative, there is also an elevated probability you are homophobic / racist / misogynist, but it is not a 100% certainty, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on those three.:rolleyes:
 

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..give it up ddk...arguing with a liberal is like playing pickup sticks with your butt cheeks....an impossibility :D
Thanks for reminding me, gotta start practicing, after all jason furman, obama's chairman of the council of economic advisers got his position doing this kind of tricks on the street!

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ddk

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Who said anything about sitting around with a hand out? I've been self-employed and paid outrageous sums to insure my family, poorly. I have held jobs I didn't love all that much, when I could be making nearly as much freelance, and one I didn't care for at all when I could have been making MORE freelance, not just because the cost of insurance would have killed me, but because I couldn't have gotten insurance at all. There are people who will be able to retire, to work for themselves, to work part time, to semi-retire, to take care of their kids and elderly parents, to do volunteer work, to start small businesses or consulting practices...the list is long and productive, if you're not jumping to the conclusion that everyone who doesn't think like you isn't as ambitious as you. A whole lot of possibilities would open up for a whole lot of people if healthcare costs in this country were in line with most of the developed world. It is a huge drain on personal and national economics.

Its not about my ambitions and I'm all for people going about enjoying their lives, but its not about. Its about lost jobs and opportunities. Its about a system that's already being gamed to the hilt, its about dishonest politicians and its about the cost to families who have to pick up the tab.

In mine. Case in point. If I lost my job pre Obamacare, I would have to desperately find a job (any job) which has health care coverage, because my wife has pre-existing condition and I cannot get insurance on private market (or pay $5K / month). With Obamacare, I could get coverage for $1K month, and decide for myself if I wanted to retire or not (plenty coming in to cover living expenses), and if I decided I wanted to work a few more years, I'd look for a job I actually wanted, or start my own business (in audio preferably). If I decided to retire, I'd be one of the COB's 2 million, which is a good thing, because I would not be with my back against the wall for a job with health care coverage.

And who's picking up the difference for this generosity? My kids or yours? Would be great if you accomplished your goal by yourself instead of on the back of others.
 
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If you call sitting around with your hand out quality life. Then there are the rest of us who have to work to provide the lazy ones with their quality life.

Who said anything about sitting around with a hand out? I've been self-employed and paid outrageous sums to insure my family, poorly. I have held jobs I didn't love all that much, when I could be making nearly as much freelance, and one I didn't care for at all when I could have been making MORE freelance, not just because the cost of insurance would have killed me, but because I couldn't have gotten insurance at all. There are people who will be able to retire, to work for themselves, to work part time, to semi-retire, to take care of their kids and elderly parents, to do volunteer work, to start small businesses or consulting practices...the list is long and productive, if you're not jumping to the conclusion that everyone who doesn't think like you isn't as ambitious as you. A whole lot of possibilities would open up for a whole lot of people if healthcare costs in this country were in line with most of the developed world. It is a huge drain on personal and national economics.

Unfortunately, the Affordable Care Act is probably far too compromised and hamstrung to lead us to affordable care, if it survives at all. It's only hope, really, is to get enough people on it and getting their family healthcare through it that it becomes, like Social Security and Medicare, politically untouchable, and Washington is forced pass changes meant to make it work, not kill it off. That's a tall order, but it's the only chance IMO. Voting against good, actually affordable healthcare has to be more politically dangerous than voting against the insurance and pharma lobbies. And we are nowhere close to that.

Tim
 

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Unfortunately, the Affordable Care Act is probably far too compromised and hamstrung to lead us to affordable care, if it survives at all. It's only hope, really, is to get enough people on it and getting their family healthcare through it that it becomes, like Social Security and Medicare, politically untouchable, and Washington is forced pass changes meant to make it work, not kill it off. That's a tall order, but it's the only chance IMO. Voting against good, actually affordable healthcare has to be more politically dangerous than voting against the insurance and pharma lobbies. And we are nowhere close to that.

Tim

The problem with it Tim is that the name ACA is a lie, and so everything else about it. Whatever was wrong in the past, still is nothing has changed only now you're forced to buy insurance wether you want it or not, its not your money or your decision anymore. I'm not against healthcare reform, I'm against being imprisoned by it. The rosy side of this thing is coming at the expense of others and its not right. The point of this post wasn't obamacare but to point out to the sleepy that we're losing jobs and people are paying a price for these policies, of course the spin is you can do what you want and not have to work. Do you believe that a policies that either force people out of jobs or has disincentives for people to work is a good thing for a nation? What about the quality of of life for those who end up paying for this frivolity? My kids? Your kid? What's in store for them?

david
 

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