Like manna from heaven. Gary's post validate the product he blindly berates. Apparently there is a higher power and its not tubes or solid state.
SR HFT + FEQ ... Voodoo or ???
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Facts? What facts? Do you have any data?
If a few of those dime sized things do anything, an independent tester should be able to measure the room response easily with REW or similar equipment.
If you needed an implanted medical device like a pacemaker, would you accept such lame unsubstantiated anecdotal manufacturer's claims or do you think you might want a REAL test with measurements by an independent tester?
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Gary,
I have no experience with the exact products debated in this thread, but I can assure you that when I change cables, capacitors types keeping the same values or after one hour warmup the sound of my system changes significantly and my measuring system using REW does not detect any significant change.
More seriously, the quoted affirmation also suggests that you do not know about the technicalities and limitations associated with the use of REW acoustic measuring system. Did you ever take measurements using REW?
Another classic, impassioned exchange between the subjectivists and the objectivists.
IMHO, both sides have their merits as well as their weaknesses.
May I humbly suggest that those folks who are measurement / data based refrain from calling a product, whatever it is (including related cost) crap or other equivalent derogatory terms. Those that respectively disagree (and find merit to the product in question and / or can hear the impact of the product) will take this as a personal insult on their integrity and react accordingly. No surprise there.
I really try to not "judge" people. It's similar to folks that hold fervent, inflexible religious beliefs and will claim that those who disagree are ill informed, mentally challenged, and are destined to experience some very unpleasant repercussions for not adhering to someone else's dogma.
Just treat each other with respect and accept that there will always be differences of opinion.
Pretty simple really.
GG
IMHO, both sides have their merits as well as their weaknesses.
May I humbly suggest that those folks who are measurement / data based refrain from calling a product, whatever it is (including related cost) crap or other equivalent derogatory terms. Those that respectively disagree (and find merit to the product in question and / or can hear the impact of the product) will take this as a personal insult on their integrity and react accordingly. No surprise there.
I really try to not "judge" people. It's similar to folks that hold fervent, inflexible religious beliefs and will claim that those who disagree are ill informed, mentally challenged, and are destined to experience some very unpleasant repercussions for not adhering to someone else's dogma.
Just treat each other with respect and accept that there will always be differences of opinion.
Pretty simple really.
GG
I do not believe that you have to be able to measure a difference for there to be a difference. But if you cannot measure a difference or hear a difference then there probably is no difference. That's my comment on HFT's. I excepted other people think they work. I'm just wondering whether there is significant opinion on his other products.I really don't want to spend another $900-$1000 to find out that something doesn't work.The money back guarantee you only have a total of 30 days from the time they are shipped to the time they receive them back to get your money back. It took me longer to figure out that they really did not make a difference.
I would describe Anne's music as pleasant.She is an awfully nice woman however. There are a couple of nice tunes but they are mostly just audiophile records, i.e. very nice sonics and so-so music. I feel the same way about Lyn Stanley. She has promise no doubt, but would be much better served playing as many gigs as she can in some jazz clubs around the country, rather than just showing up at hi-fi shows and singing to her record trying to get people to buy equipment. The event at Axpona on that Saturday afternoon was awful, with the speakers breaking up like Rice Krispies after milk has been added to the bowl. She has a very limited range but has great arrangements that fit her voice beautifully. But, you only get better getting out on the road.
My suggestion is to talk to an acoustic engineer directly since they are trained about room acoustics and they typically measure the room with a variety of measurement techniques. If you really want to spend your money, you can get a relatively inexpensive measurement mike, some room measurement software,etc. and then a good SPL meter and you can take your own measurements, send them to an acoustic engineer and they can tell you what you might need in your room where you'll definitely hear a difference.
There are a variety of room treatment mfg that have a variety of products so, give them a call and see what they say about what you actually need.
The acoustic engineer I've talked to will only deal with proven technology that have been tested by 3rd party independent testing labs that can prove by measuring the room acoustics in a before and after scenario. if you can't measure any difference, then it's probably a safe bet that it's just unproven technology and not worth buying. It's a shame some companies don't provide independent testing when it comes to room treatment. I don't know of any professional acoustic engineer that recommends these HFT products, if you know of any, then they can should be able to show room measurements to prove the technology. But i have yet to see any. I've asked, but none have provided such information, so until I see tangible proof that the technology actually will change (improve) room acoustics that's measurable, then I will stay away from the product. Testimonials are just subjective, but with room acoustics, I would get objective measurements so I at least know what they problem they are actually going to fix.
First figure out what your budget is, then talk to an acoustic engineer that looks at various measurements to figure out what the biggest issues are and what's going to fit your budget. There is no magical product that fixes everything, there are products that do specific things and you have to figure out what your room actually needs.
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I've actually measured these resonator things, and you can see a very minor difference in the measurements (fractions of a dB). They are definitely not cleaning up the sound or magically solving room acoustic issues. They are adding a coloration. Think of them like bells. Some people might like the coloration. Anything that adds coloration isn't something I want in my system!
How many of those things did you use? what was the room dimensions? And did you use that box that "turbo charges" you system?
where there specific frequencies or a frequency range that they were affecting?
Thanks!
I like all the equipment in the Scott Walker Audio room at the show but I wont set foot in it as long as SR is in there.
Had my second extremely poor SR experience at the LAOCAS meeting at SWA. The rest of the meeting was fine with Demos provided, but once again I walked into a room and the guy doing the presentation was getting frustrated because everybody was not hearing this miraculous life changing event the Atmosphere was evidently providing, me being one of them.
That and the room looked like a cheep costume jewelry store with the measles with all the trinket's hanging/stuck to the walls and equipment.
Had my second extremely poor SR experience at the LAOCAS meeting at SWA. The rest of the meeting was fine with Demos provided, but once again I walked into a room and the guy doing the presentation was getting frustrated because everybody was not hearing this miraculous life changing event the Atmosphere was evidently providing, me being one of them.
That and the room looked like a cheep costume jewelry store with the measles with all the trinket's hanging/stuck to the walls and equipment.
Everything in your system or room have some coloration. So what amp, cables ... do you use that are coloration free?
I'm not into tweaks but after watched Avshowrooms HFT review, I bought several packs and surprisingly I heard an improvement. At the time my room was under renovation so walls were bare. Now I'm using Audio Magic Bells ... I always judge audio products with my ear and NOT a slide ruler.
Sure if you think spending money for something that works, for ME, is a problem. LATER!
I personally don't like it when someone markets a product saying that it's Turbo Charging my system. Maybe i want to Super Charge my system, or maybe I want to add a Blower or maybe I want normally aspirated. Or maybe I want to use nitrous. ;-)
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