Synergistic Research HFT

FrantzM · Apr 25, 2014

Steve Williams said:
we all understand your argument as you continue ad nauseum to make it. Valid or not these members have asked you to stop as they don't care about your premise

I do believe that we have a conundrum here:

What should a person with a conflicting view do?> just accept it? End of debate? What is then, the purpose of a board? TO discuss IMHO, one reason they are often called "Discussion boards or Forums? Aren't we pushing away those who are of a different view? are we to accept any view and not discuss it, challenge it ? I for one do have more than my doubts about hose products of which there exist a continuum , spanning from the ludicrous (e.g. Machina Dynamica) to the "soft" incredible (Kombat dots or Lesloss Blackbox) to the Pseudo scientific (this very product) which is purported to affect acoustics ( a measures-based science ) in ways that can be heard but not measured?

So, there a limit to how many times a person can present a dissenting opinion? Would it be the same if that was a consenting one?

Steve Williams · Apr 25, 2014

Frantz my friend

There is no conundrum here but rather a very specific habit by said poster where he continuously posts the same arguments over and over. We all understand his point but frankly it gets to be trolling when you see the same list over and over and over again. Sorry Frantz but on this I respectfully disagree. It's easy to come in late to the party and make your observations. If this were to occur once or twice I can see your point but honestly just search all of his posts and I am sure you will agree that there is a trend here.

RBFC · Apr 25, 2014

Until there are unbiased measurements provided as to the effects of these devices, it ends up being subjective testimony vs. objective conjecture. I'm sure that many people thought that eating moldy bread could not possibly cure illness.....

Lee

Steve Williams · Apr 25, 2014

FWIW, I am in complete agreement with Rich's premise and postulates. It is the manner in which the argument is presented over and over that becomes tedious even for those of us in agreement

MylesBAstor · Apr 25, 2014

Steve Williams said:
FWIW, I am in complete agreement with Rich's premise and postulates. It is the manner in which the argument is presented over and over that becomes tedious even for those of us in agreement

And ulterior motivations.

RichDavis · Apr 25, 2014

RBFC said:
Until there are unbiased measurements provided as to the effects of these devices, it ends up being subjective testimony vs. objective conjecture. I'm sure that many people thought that eating moldy bread could not possibly cure illness.....

Lee

Oh, so you eat moldy bread when you get sick? last time I checked, moldy bread makes you sick. And for want it's worth,my doctors don't prescribe antibiotics like they used because there is proof that they can cause other problems.

mep · Apr 25, 2014

RichDavis said:
Oh, so you eat moldy bread when you get sick? last time I checked, moldy bread makes you sick. And for want it's worth,my doctors don't prescribe antibiotics like they used because there is proof that they can cause other problems.

You should ask to see that proof over, and over, and over, and over again.

thedudeabides · Apr 25, 2014

RichDavis quote

unfortunately, we should still be measuring the effects of it to produce undeniable results to prevent any arguments.

Mr. Davis,

There's only one person on this thread who is intentionally arguing again, and again, and again, and again............................................

Sigh.

GG

jap · Apr 25, 2014

RBFC · Apr 25, 2014

Well, Mr. Davis seems to know more about medicine than I. My point is that both sides of this debate are currently unproven in an objective sense. I now await his rebuttal post, because our comments about repetitive point-making have fallen on deaf ears. Now, to go study up on my medical facts....

Lee

caliaripaolo · May 16, 2014

I think one of the strengths of this forum is the expertise of many people who participate, and the extreme politeness with which, guests argue their positions.
On the topic, I agree with both extreme positions. Many times we can not explain what physically happens, it happens and I think the best to do is to empirically test .
RichDavis continue to enter the same comments, why not? He shows great passion which is the basis of our hobby.
Who does not agree has two choices: do not read his comments in advance about this topic, or read them and remain their positions.
Those who seek to understand can read and then test. I found many suggestions on this forum and then I tried directly experiencing for most of the time what I was reading.
For example, I have found it very efficient in my room the shakti hallographs , that many of my friends think they are hangers...

Matias · May 16, 2014

SR released the ECT - Electronic Circuit Transducer, which follows the same technology of the HFTs but to be used in electronic components: DAC chips, IC chips, fuses, transformers, tubes, etc.

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/featured/new-product-release-ect-electronic-circuit-transducer/

GaryProtein · May 17, 2014

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Blu-tac and double stick tape. I love it! Little metal pencil erasers.

Their claims are just ridiculous. I'm impressed they can talk about it with straight faces.

Not quite as outrageous as the bag of colored pebbles one company (whose name I forget) has you tape onto your cables, but still laughable.

A word to the wise, before buying these ECT devices, have some ECT (Electro Convulsive Therapy) done so you come to your senses.

FrantzM · May 17, 2014

Matias said:
SR released the ECT - Electronic Circuit Transducer, which follows the same technology of the HFTs but to be used in electronic components: DAC chips, IC chips, fuses, transformers, tubes, etc.

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/featured/new-product-release-ect-electronic-circuit-transducer/

Trending toward Machina Dynamica

GaryProtein · May 17, 2014

FrantzM said:
Trending toward Machina Dynamica

Thank you.

That's the gravel company I was thinking of!

bonzo75 · May 18, 2014

Demoed the synergistic research tweaks at the Munich hifi show. They had a room where ask the following tweaks made a clear difference. Take the tweak out, and the loss of soundstage, lack of focus, and muddiness was very apparent
1. HFT
2. FEQ
3. ECT - these are small things, retailing at 300 dollars for a pack of 8. You can put them on the chips inside a component, on the fuse, and ok the sending side of cables.
4. The active isolation bases
5. The black hole, which is a small black thing you can place between the speakers and functions as a bass trap.

GaryProtein · May 18, 2014

Little and bass trap are mutually exclusive.

Just for laughs, I mean out of curiosity, how does the "Black Hole" differ from the HFT and ECT?

Is it the color?????????????

Synergistic is becoming more like Machina Dynamica on a daily basis.

Matias · May 19, 2014

SR does several on/off demos of its products in all major audio shows, plus they have 30 day trial or money back for people to test at home. If skeptics still don't want to try, well, there is not much more they can do. Sure, skeptics will ask for measurements, but I understand SR doesn't want to do this because that would give away their technology to the competition. So that leaves the skeptics free to complain... oh well.

I have 3 packs of HFT, XOT and a FEQ installed in my system and they work great. The HFTs in the center help focusing the sound stage, while the ones installed around the room really help the ambiance of the music, seems like a 2 channel system sounds like surround sound in musics that have such ambiance - quite interesting. The FEQ is more a cumulative effect, it helps cleaning the sound, feels more natural, increases the bass a little bit. The XOTs also clean the entire range, giving more resolution to the music, and tightens up the bass a little bit. All together they are a significant upgrade, like changing cheap stock power cables to high end ones in a high end system - it really shows a lot more.

Zbor · May 20, 2014

Well I was at the Munich show, and all I can say that all these SR tweaks work! I don't understand how TV works, but it does and I enjoy it; same goes for SR stuff. Similarly measurements only explain what is measured: we don't know or understand everything so there will always be "unknown unknowns" which will influence things. Some are vain enough to think we understand everything: we don't!

At the end of the day you will read reviews, but drink a wine because your like it. Chemical analysis won't help you judging the quality of the wine; ditto goes for audio...what counts is what you hear and what you like. Remember when THD was the wonderful figure for judging amplifiers... well it turned out not to be!

bonzo75 · May 20, 2014

The shakti haliographs are brilliant, and not really expensive of you can pick them up used. Just can't place them in my loving room. But the ability to tweak sound stage width just by turning them in or out is tremendous

caliaripaolo said:
I think one of the strengths of this forum is the expertise of many people who participate, and the extreme politeness with which, guests argue their positions.
On the topic, I agree with both extreme positions. Many times we can not explain what physically happens, it happens and I think the best to do is to empirically test .
RichDavis continue to enter the same comments, why not? He shows great passion which is the basis of our hobby.
Who does not agree has two choices: do not read his comments in advance about this topic, or read them and remain their positions.
Those who seek to understand can read and then test. I found many suggestions on this forum and then I tried directly experiencing for most of the time what I was reading.
For example, I have found it very efficient in my room the shakti hallographs , that many of my friends think they are hangers...

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