New Dartzeel LHC-208

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It is very nice looking but why doesn't it have a pleasure control? What if I want more or less pleasure??? What then???
 

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You do it on the touchscreen, by sliding your finger across that colourful bar :)


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You do it on the touchscreen, by sliding your finger across that colourful bar :)


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Alexandre,

Although it looks to be a nice feature, it is not a pleasure control anymore - according to Herve a pleasure control should have no visible scale or display, your hears should be the arbiter! ;) According to the shown data it seems as powerful as the 8550. DO you know any details about the DAC design and implementation?
 

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Alexandre,

Although it looks to be a nice feature, it is not a pleasure control anymore - according to Herve a pleasure control should have no visible scale or display, your hears should be the arbiter! ;) According to the shown data it seems as powerful as the 8550. DO you know any details about the DAC design and implementation?

The transformer is a little smaller on the LHC than on the CTH...
As for the DAC, Hervé's explanation flew over my head :) But it's an off-the-shelf chip, and I recall him mentioning the key aspect was his implementation of clocking.


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The transformer is a little smaller on the LHC than on the CTH...
As for the DAC, Hervé's explanation flew over my head :) But it's an off-the-shelf chip, and I recall him mentioning the key aspect was his implementation of clocking.


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I wonder if it is truly native DSD or that it just converts the DSD to PCM internally. I love the fact that it does DSD128 and DXD :) Seems to be future proof pretty much, though DSD256/512 and 768kHz PCM and 32-bit would be even better...
 

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Had a full day session with a pre-production version yesterday.

This product will selll like hot cakes at this price. Very analog sound in a complete one box solution. Looks slick, sounds superb an priced right.

Only one problem, first production run will be like 50 units ands there are firm orders for over 100 already. It will be quite a scramble to get one.

Release date is now a matter of weeks.

Me likey!
 

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Had a full day session with a pre-production version yesterday.

This product will selll like hot cakes at this price. Very analog sound in a complete one box solution. Looks slick, sounds superb an priced right.

Only one problem, first production run will be like 50 units ands there are firm orders for over 100 already. It will be quite a scramble to get one.

Release date is now a matter of weeks.

Me likey!


Serious competition for the various Lampizator dacs you like so much, Wisnon? Interesting to hear and find out how it compares to the new Lampizator Golden Gate dac!
 

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Serious competition for the various Lampizator dacs you like so much, Wisnon? Interesting to hear and find out how it compares to the new Lampizator Golden Gate dac!
Not sure, as we didnt have a Lampi to compare to…just the Chord Qute EX with Hynes Linear power supply and only on RBCD. I suspect I will like the tube approach more, but cant be sure. Dartzeel has a touch of tube smoothness.

The beauty of the Big 7 is the tube roliling ability that can significanly change the presentation. Also, the sweeeeet DSD.

Still the LHC as a one box solution is very attractive.
 

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Had a full day session with a pre-production version yesterday.

This product will selll like hot cakes at this price. Very analog sound in a complete one box solution. Looks slick, sounds superb an priced right.

Only one problem, first production run will be like 50 units ands there are firm orders for over 100 already. It will be quite a scramble to get one.

Release date is now a matter of weeks.

Me likey!

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I spent three days last June at the Newport Show with the LHC-208 and also at that show was the pre-production model of the new version of the 18NS full on preamp....which was used as the phono stage for the LHC-208. the system at that show was quite similar to my home gear. with the dac I was blown away by the 208, and was able to directly compare it's dac performance to the phono stage in the new dart pre at that show for reference. that pre got shipped directly to my home from the show and then I was able to listen to that pre and phono in my system for 2 weeks and then shipped it back to darZTeel in Switzerland.

not only was it the best phono stage I've yet heard, but it's performance in my home system only solidified my opinion on the dac in the 208 as world class.

the only negative is that they won't ship the first batch of new dart pre until they ship the 208's which are being built first......and I paid in full for my new dart pre last September, so I have little sympathy for your wait on the 208.;)

and btw; they have many more than 100 firm pre-orders for the new $46k (with 2 phonos) NHB-18NS.
 

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I spent three days last June at the Newport Show with the LHC-208 and also at that show was the pre-production model of the new version of the 18NS full on preamp....which was used as the phono stage for the LHC-208. the system at that show was quite similar to my home gear. with the dac I was blown away by the 208, and was able to directly compare it's dac performance to the phono stage in the new dart pre at that show for reference. that pre got shipped directly to my home from the show and then I was able to listen to that pre and phono in my system for 2 weeks and then shipped it back to darZTeel in Switzerland.

not only was it the best phono stage I've yet heard, but it's performance in my home system only solidified my opinion on the dac in the 208 as world class.

the only negative is that they won't ship the first batch of new dart pre until they ship the 208's which are being built first......and I paid in full for my new dart pre last September, so I have little sympathy for your wait on the 208.;)

and btw; they have many more than 100 firm pre-orders for the new $46k (with 2 phonos) NHB-18NS.

Yes, but the good news is that the production probs are now solved, so some serious inroads can be made into all the backlog. As for demand, the monobloc takes the cake! 2.5 years order to (old)capacity backlog, though I expect capacity to increase for that. Oh, and that Dac module will be moving up the food chain!
 
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Mike Lavigne

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Yes, but the good news is that the production probs are now solves so siome serious inroads can be made into all the backlog. As for demand, the monobloc takes the cake! 2.5 years order to (old)capacity backlog, though I expect capacity to increase for that. Oh, and that Dac module will be moving up the food chain!

I would like to see a stand alone dart dac that could be used with the 18NS, and a stand alone dart phono that could be used with the 208 too. common sense would say that the dac is much more likely than the phono based on the market size and potential.

good thing I already have the monoblocks in-house then. after living with them for 2 years now I know full well why they are in demand.
 

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Yeah, even H does not have a pair now. LoL

Actually, if I hear right, the phonostage is more likely. Th Dac module goes into the big integrated, the CTH...
 

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