Losing Fans?
- Thread starter MylesBAstor
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If true, he is a fool. This is not unique. There is a decent sized European group of bleeding hearts who feel that Israel are
the oppressors, and the Palestinians are the poor victims. Can't win.
I have supported Waters in the past because his message was simple...War is bad.
I've personally come to the conclusion that the Palestinians are not innocent victims, and Israel is an oppressor. I'm not at all sure how a different conclusion could be reached. There are no good guys in that conflict, no leadership seeking compromise and peace in good faith. I wish my country would withdraw support from Israel and get out of it completely. Is that anti Semitic? Isolationist? So be it. Seeking peace in good faith should be the minimum requirement for support.
Tim
Tim
Does he really paint the palestinians as blameless victims? Or, as I see it, he just wants to call attention to Israel's actions, which are indeed pretty nasty and beligerent.
Why do people always have to divert attention to "the other side"?
alexandre
I didn't read the thing about Waters. I'm really not that interested in rock star views of world politics. I am, however, interested in world politics, particularly where my own nation's involvement is dangerous and expensive. There's a lot to dislike about the way the Palestinian leadership conducts themselves, but the same is true of the Israelis. What might be even more important, given that we have invested billions of dollars and international bad will into our alliance with Israel, is that they are bad friends, bad allies, a bad investment. They are our friends to the extent that we support whatever they choose to do and help them pay for it. They turn on us when we show the slightest hint of conscience or balance in the conflict they keep us involved in. I try to believe that our leaders sometimes do things that look wrong because they know something I don't. But knowing what I do, I would have walked away from our "friendship" with Israel long ago.
Case in point: Their negotiations with the Palestinian authority are like me negotiating the position of the lot line between me and my next door neighbor while I'm building a guest house in his back yard. It's absurd. I can't imagine why we even take them seriously, and when we do it is all their gain, our risk. We passive-aggressively support their worst behavior and there is absolutely nothing in it for us.
Rant complete.
Tim
I don't know how you can say that with a fanatical enemy that is sworn to and would like nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Their children have been indoctrinated to hate Jews. No, anti-semetism runs deep in the world and in the middle East (study a little bit about the Grand Mufti, Iraq, the Baath party, Sadaam Hussein and the Nazis for instance) and didn't disappear because WWII ended. You'll also know why the war in Bosnia erupted after Tito died in the '90s.
Tim, I don't believe your view is ant semitic or isolationist, however it is just plain uninformed. You obviously don't know the historical facts and all the surrounding circumstances. Period. I won't debate,
I'm going to be done on this thread. Been there done that.
If anyone needs evidence of this, google USS Liberty if you don't already know the story about how the Israelis attempted to sink a US Navy ship because they thought we were spying on them and passing the info to Egypt.
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