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So, what’s next? I must admit I’m quite content at the moment. Yes, there’s always something next. When I can swing it, there’s always the Sigma HC cables to consider, and perhaps a new Triton II or a Typhon for the power amps. But spring is right around the corner. Got to save those dollars now for rhododendrons and azaleas. I’m afraid the garden needs some serious work.

Great write-up on the Shunyata gear, Marty, much appreciated.

Yes, I have to spend money on other things too: the siding/wood structure of my house needs some attention, with very serious $$ involved. More important than the stereo system. After all, what is a system good for if the house around it crumbles? (Fortunately, my roof is now in perfect shape.) In terms of audio, I will only spend some money on ASC window plugs for the next year or so. Needed for noise insulation, but expected acoustic benefits will also be welcome.

My upgrade dreams include foremost a Shunyata Triton and a Berkeley Reference DAC. Yet I am currently also content and, after a period of restlessness, have stopped frantically spinning discs for how they sound and instead I just listen to the music again. Music draws me in very much on my system and I can get lost in it for hours, which is obviously the most important part. I am actually surprised how good it sounds on my system for the money that I spent, and for the moment, and hopefully for many coming months, I am perfectly satisfied leaving it at that.
 

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Great write-up on the Shunyata gear, Marty, much appreciated.

Yes, I have to spend money on other things too: the siding/wood structure of my house needs some attention, with very serious $$ involved. More important than the stereo system. After all, what is a system good for if the house around it crumbles? (Fortunately, my roof is now in perfect shape.) In terms of audio, I will only spend some money on ASC window plugs for the next year or so. Needed for noise insulation, but expected acoustic benefits will also be welcome.

My upgrade dreams include foremost a Shunyata Triton and a Berkeley Reference DAC. Yet I am currently also content and, after a period of restlessness, have stopped frantically spinning discs for how they sound and instead I just listen to the music again. Music draws me in very much on my system and I can get lost in it for hours, which is obviously the most important part. I am actually surprised how good it sounds on my system for the money that I spent, and for the moment, and hopefully for many coming months, I am perfectly satisfied leaving it at that.

I was lucky and totally puzzled several years ago when I started to Shunyataize my system with the addition of a Triton in the first of what have now become many rounds of upgrades (probably more than 50% of the total cost of my system and totally worth it). I did not understand at the time what I was hearing as soon as I plugged my components into the Triton, but knew that I loved it and could not go back to being without one.

I now know that what I am hearing is a marked reduction of noise floor, allowing many audible cues to emerge, and a marked reduction of grunge from the power supplies, especially the digital ones. It will probably be worth waiting for new Triton since it will incorporate a lot of what Caelin has learned with his digital filtration. I am going to guess that it will provide more benefit than spending the same amount money elsewhere. Also, I want to say that Sanjay Patel of Ciamara in NYC is my Shunyata dealer and a great and HONEST guy to deal with, something all to rare in modern high end audio.
 

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I now know that what I am hearing is a marked reduction of noise floor, allowing many audible cues to emerge, and a marked reduction of grunge from the power supplies, especially the digital ones. It will probably be worth waiting for new Triton since it will incorporate a lot of what Caelin has learned with his digital filtration. I am going to guess that it will provide more benefit than spending the same amount money elsewhere.

Yes, I completely understand what you are saying about the utmost importance of "reduction of noise floor, allowing many audible cues to emerge". I experienced the same a year ago with the acquisition of external BorderPatrol power supplies for my amps, see my review, linked to in my signature. It has dramatically transformed my system for the better. I can only imagine what would happen with a Shunyata for my digital front end. The difference in resolution with my Berkeley Alpha DAC straight from the wall and through my Tice Powerblock II is ridiculous, and the Shunyata should be much better than the Tice, which was the reference product 25 years or so ago, but now must be superseded by a substantial margin. I think, for example, that it would be silly to buy a Berkeley Reference DAC (one of my next planned upgrades) without the Shunyata in front -- at least the Triton, if not the Triton/Typhon combo. I cannot fail to notice that Robert Harley has the latter combo in his system, and that all the good things that he had to say about the Reference DAC was with that unit fed through the Shunyata combo. In fact, given my own experience with the Berkeley Alpha DAC (and previously, with a modified Wadia 12 DAC) I cannot take anyone's opinions about DACs seriously anymore if they do not have great power conditioning in their system -- power conditioning or lack thereof makes or breaks digital.

If the BorderPatrol power supplies yield such great results on their own (again, see my review), I cannot help but wonder how they would do fed through a Typhon? Magic might happen, who knows.
 

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Al,

You might send a question to Caelin about the Triton and/or Typhon compared to the Tice. From what I know they are each totally different in design and goals. I have both a Triton and Typhon in my system and could not for a second consider taking either of them out. Since my budget at the time of purchases did not allow me to buy two Typhons for the two dedicated circuits that serve my system (one for the front and one for the heavy current draws, Spectral 260 AMP and two JL F 113 subwoofers) I played around with the Typhon plugged into the Triton which runs the front totally connected to components with various Alpha cables (digital and HC), and formerly mostly Ztiron Anaconda and a few Zitron Python. I also tried it plugged directly into another dedicated 20 amp circuit that powers only my Spectral and the JL's via Alpha HC PC'swith just the Triton running everything else on another dedicated 20 amp circuit with a Shunyata receptacle and a dedicated ground. What I heard was quite different in each installation and clearly better in both cases, but settled on it plugged into the high current circuit because the nature of its overall improvement was a bit better in my opinion on the amp and SUBS. I wish I had the money for another one on the front end because its influence was also incredible. Instead, I am replacing an Alpha Digital to my Meitner DAC with a Sigma Digital based largely on Marty's experiences since he has a Meitner as well and I know his listening preferences after 45 years. Steve Williams, as you no doubt know, also raves about the Sigma Digital and their high current brethren.

Hopefully you will hear from me on the Sigma Digital front in about 4 weeks when the Sigma has settled in. I must say my sound is so damn good now, I really do not want to go through the break-in again.
 

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Al,

You might send a question to Caelin about the Triton and/or Typhon compared to the Tice. From what I know they are each totally different in design and goals.

Russ,

yes, they are completely different designs. Robert Harley mentioned in an email to me that the Shunyata gear is far superior, he used to have a Tice Powerblock II/Titan combo, and now the Triton/Typhon. Given how great the Tice is, I can only imagine...

Hopefully you will hear from me on the Sigma Digital front in about 4 weeks when the Sigma has settled in. I must say my sound is so damn good now, I really do not want to go through the break-in again.

Why don't you burn in, as Caelin suggests on the previous thread page, with a fan or a high-powered lamp? I'd imagine this could save you a lot of aural frustration (I remember how I was panicking through the first stages of the burn-in phase of my BorderPatrol power supplies, but fortunately that was quite a bit shorter than the one for the Sigma cables seems to be).
 

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Al,

I have tried the fan burn-in and find it helpful, but only somewhat. I just do not think that there is any way totally around the burn it. Fortunately my dac is on 24/7 and I am not home a lot, and this will be at least the 20 th Shunyata PC I have burned in so I know what is coming and just accept it.
 

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I admit I'm of the belief that "cable has no memory" as I have not been impressed with pre-break-in methods. The only alternative is simply to be patient accept break-in as a necessity evil. However, I do think there are things that ease the pain. Here's my favorite. (It's much cheaper than a 2 week vacation).
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I admit I'm of the belief that "cable has no memory" as I have not been impressed with pre-break-in methods. The only alternative is simply to be patient accept break-in as a necessity evil. However, I do think there are things that ease the pain. Here's my favorite. (It's much cheaper than a 2 week vacation).
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I need one of those! (love the name)
 

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It’s been over a year since I updated my system notes. When I look back over that period I think I made some significant changes to the system and thought I would describe here.

Thank you so much Marty, I thought I was going out of my mind, I have just upgraded to the Triton V2 and all Sigma PC's from Alpha HC's, this time I went with the Sigma Digital for the DAC and Music Server. When I installed the Triton V2 with the original (run in) Alpha HC's I thought wow - great improvement. Yep, right up to when I put the Sigma PC's in. 1st in was the digital and I thought oh dear I have just made a very expensive mistake - it sounded terrible. I am now at 180 hours and I am thinking well the hell has the bass gone ??

After reading your post in detail I can see that I am in for another couple of weeks before everything settles down. Unfortunately its not possible to run my amps 24/7 as they are tube. The DAC and MS is running 24/7. I very nearly ended putting the Alpha's back in until I read your post so a big thank you!
 

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I'm happy that my notes have dissuaded you from returning the Shunyata Sigma PCs. My experience is mirrored in these pages by several others and there's not much to say except it is what it is. Unfortunately, you have to go deep into break-in hell in order to get to heaven with the Sigma PCs. But as I and many others have suggested, the wait will be well-worth it. These are simply superb PCs. My experience is limited to using them on digital gear, but others have used superlatives to describe the performance of their analog and High Current versions as well. I'm told the Triton V2 has a much shorter break-in, thank goodness!
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Ked,
I thought Shun Mook feet were better for equipment on shelves not speakers, no? My sense with Stillpoints is that if the speaker can move or slide forward relatively easily (i.e. panels), spikes are the way to go whereas if they have significant weight (i.e. subwoofers) they might be best for that application. Same for the Shun Mooks devices? Can the shallow tips of the Shun Mook devices penetrate carpet to get to, say, a concrete floor underneath?
Marty

Late find to your question, but this guy has specially designed Shun Mook resonators with screws on top to fit into his MBL 101e MKII, so yes, they can be used on speakers. The following are links to other applications he uses them in, including the UHA tape deck ( http://unitedhomeaudio.com/shun_mook_for_the_uha_tape_d.htm ) - of course, too expensive

His main website is here http://unitedhomeaudio.com/index.htm
 

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Late find to your question, but this guy has specially designed Shun Mook resonators with screws on top to fit into his MBL 101e MKII, so yes, they can be used on speakers. The following are links to other applications he uses them in, including the UHA tape deck ( http://unitedhomeaudio.com/shun_mook_for_the_uha_tape_d.htm ) - of course, too expensive

His main website is here http://unitedhomeaudio.com/index.htm

errr https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wuQeQGDrjHE
 

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I guess I could have posted this under the Shunyata area but since there are a few changes I’ve made in addition to Shunyata gear, I’ve chosen to post here for continuity purposes.

My first update pertains to the input stage tubes on my VTL 7.5 III. Although I was extremely pleased with my NOS Telefunkens, I was disappointed to find that they appeared to crash with only an estimated 2000 hours on them. Normally, tube replacement is indicated by a gradual softening of the sound. In my case, I heard some newly observed spitting, particularly on sibilants, and my first thought is that it couldn’t possibly be the preamp tubes. I cleaned all my connections, checked the power supply voltages on the TacT 2.2XP and prayed the audio gods to no avail. Since changing the preamp tubes is easy, I finally succumbed even though I thought the tubes couldn’t possibly be the culprit. Lo and behold, that was it. I have a bevy of tubes to choose from, but I was particularly tempted to try some NOS Philips 7316s that came highly recommended by Brent Jesse. It turns out it’s a beautiful tube, and once again, is a good example of how system compatibility is always a consideration for the final sound. With my Siegfried’s, the Teles were a great match. However, it is a slightly more analytical tube than the 7316s. The Philips tube with its more liquid midrange (and still excellent bass and top end) were a surprisingly good match for the Spectral 400s. I am still tempted to try my new-in box NOS Bugle Boys and Mullards, but since preamp tubes take a good 200 hours to break-in, I’ll just have to wait until I have a good period of time for break-in. Perhaps when I’m out of town next for a week? In the meantime, I’m happy as a clam with 7316s for now.

But now, the “big one”! I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Shunyata Triton upgrade to the V2 edition from its original V1. I respect Steve’s and Russ’ opinions but their enthusiasm left me sort of “yeah, yeah , yeah- c’mon boys, we’ve heard all this before”. I was sure it was probably better. But I also thought that when I have nothing else to do with the nearly 2K it will cost to modify my unit, and when I know it won’t be grounds for divorce court, I’ll get around to it, but there was no rush. Unfortunately, Russ’s Spectral 260 amp recently bit the dust and was in need of repair. So while he was getting that done, he asked me if I wanted to borrow his unit for a week or so until his system was back up and running. We live about 1.5 hrs apart so it was an easy decision to take him up on his kind offer.

Before I put his V2 in my system. I spent the evening listening to some of my reference material, hoping I would have a good enough audio memory to be able to make the sequential comparison. I needn’t have worried. Now to be fair, I did not hear the difference instantaneously as Steven and Russ said I would. Rather it took me about 4 seconds. What can I say? I’m a slow study sometimes. But holy crap, I wasn’t ready for what I heard. What is totally exasperating is trying to understand how a product that many of us thought as damn good to begin with, could be made that much better? And I don’t mean it’s a little bit better. It’s so much better, that to be perfectly honest, it makes the V1 Triton seem broken by comparison. Let me dive a little deeper to try and convey why I think that is the case.

The idea of transparency is something we all discuss and think we understand, although I’m not sure we can articulate exactly what makes sound REPRODUCTION more or less “transparent”. One event that helped me understand this concept vividly is recalling what happened one day many years ago when I walked along a street in downtown Philly and heard live music coming our of an open window on the second story of a building. It was acoustic music- piano, sax, upright bass and drums. And what I remembered is that there was no way on God’s green earth one could ever mistake those sounds for being reproduced music. It could only have been live. And keep in mind that is with road noise, wind noise and every other polluting city street noise one can imagine. Sound reproduction surely has some physical properties we can look to in order to try and explain the “transparency” that I heard. Frequency response, amplitude, phase response, and impulse response are obvious candidates. But I suspect they are all somewhat inadequate to explain the basis for the instantaneous perception of what I heard through that open window on the street below as “real” versus reproduced sound. Transparency might explain the difference, but I’m not sure I know exactly what that means. Clearly, the speed of sound is known, but I doubt that a difference in the speed of sound accounted for the obvious perception that what I heard was real versus reproduced. Is transparency similar to the Supreme court definition of pornography (i.e. you’ll know it when you see it; or in this case, hear it), or does transparency have a physical parameter(s) than can explain the perceptual observation of knowing the sound I heard on the sidewalk was real? I honestly don’t know, but I think Triton V2 experience may have taught me something important in this regard.

One of the great benefits of using DSP, which is at the same time, potentially extremely exasperating, is that it is quite easy to tailor one’s sound to satisfy any number of parameters. For example if one wishes to increase the “presence” of the sound, one can use very judicious adjustments to do so. For example, a 0.1 dB bump from 180-400 Hz will result in increased “presence” and perhaps to some degree, provide the illusion of greater transparency to the sound one hears. However, this is often a two-edged sword, as the slightest increase in amplitude in this region can also cause the sound to be perceived too bright or too forward or just plainly not right due to a resultant loss of the correct instrument timbre. One instrument that demonstrates the effects of this adjustment most easily is the piano. Believe me, even this tiny amount of gain can screw things up big time. I know! I’ve done it repetitively, all in the effort to extract greater “transparency” from my system. However, fortunately, I have good references to fall back on, not only in great recordings, but in a 1922 Steinway that’s in my room and which always tells me when I’ve gone too far in trying to push the critical midrange of my system forward using poor judgment and a heavy hand on the DSP tiller.

Enter the revelation of the V2. It turns out that whatever the hell transparency is, it now seems clear to me that there is another approach to try an increase it in one’s audio system. I believe the secret to the V2 is that it quite simply lowers the noise floor so that the music signal stands out in greater relief from the background. And that, in my view, is what just may account for the remarkable increase in transparency that I am now hearing with the V2 across the board. . And let me be clear. It’s not subtle, and you don’t have to think hard about it. All you have to do is listen and smile. Piano now has a transparency that is closer to the real thing. The depth of the sounds that come from individual instruments are just breathtaking. I always thought that if I heard Hugh Masekela’s Coal Train (Stimela) one more time I would throw up. For goodness sake, I’ve heard it so many times that I can sing the words in Afrikaan, or Zulu, or whatever the hell language Masekela speaks. But now, I’m not just hearing the words come from his lips and chest. Rather I can hear the sounds coming from and being shaped by his oral pharynx. The same is true for female singers as well. Vocals sound much more as though they come from a real person, and not just a speaker. It’s the same with all instruments. Brass instruments such as saxophone also have an astonishing amount of increased body. The only word that then comes to mind to describe this phenomenon is that everything seems to have as greater transparency. It’s not unlike the effect I experienced when I walked down that street in Philly listening to live music coming from an open window. It was unequivocally live. So is the effect of listening to reproduced music through gear powered by the V2. It's just closer to a live presentation than it was before with the V1. I think a lowered noise floor is what accounts in part for the increased sonics I hear through the V2 and is also what helps make music instantaneously recognizable as real versus reproduced. The result is in increased articulation or perhaps as Audio Research coined the term over 3 decades ago, “high definition”. Indeed! It really is no surprise that this increased perception of “liveness” comes from a reduction in the noise of what goes through the V2. After all, noise reduction is Shuyata’s raison d’etre. It’s just that in the V2, it seems to be taken to new heights. Whatever the heck we wish to call it or attempt to explain it, it’s a hell of a magic trick. Except that it’s not magic at all. It’s just damn good engineering. Or as my mother would say regarding the engineer, “Mrs. Gabriel obviously didn’t raise a stupid son”.

When the 3 amigos visited Shunyata in the spring, Caelin told us that the V2 is like adding 2 Typhons to one’s system. I rolled my eyes and thought to myself “Bullshit. I like and respect the guy but this is a line too far. No AC distribution system is capable of that. He’s just trying to blow us with marketing hype.”. Well, it turned out that Caelin lied to us. The V2 is not like adding two Typhons. Rather, it’s more like adding three!! As impressed as I am with his power cords, particularly the digital (Alpha or Sigma) PCs, the V2 may just be his best work to date. It is truly a landmark product. Time to step away from the equipment merry-go-round for now. I am presently a very happy camper. My V1 went back for its upgrade the next morning.
 
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I guess I could have posted this under the Shunyata area but since there are a few changes I’ve made in addition to Shunyata gear, I’ve chosen to post here for continuity purposes.

My first update pertains to the input stage tubes on my VTL 7.5 III. Although I was extremely pleased with my NOS Telefunkens, I was disappointed to find that they appeared to crash with only an estimated 2000 hours on them. Normally, tube replacement is indicated by a gradual softening of the sound. In my case, I heard some newly observed spitting, particularly on sibilants, and my first thought is that it couldn’t possibly be the preamp tubes. I cleaned all my connections, checked the power supply voltages on the TacT 2.2XP and prayed the audio gods to no avail. Since changing the preamp tubes is easy, I finally succumbed even though I thought the tubes couldn’t possibly be the culprit. Lo and behold, that was it. I have a bevy of tubes to choose from, but I was particularly tempted to try some NOS Philips 7316s that came highly recommended by Brent Jesse. It turns out it’s a beautiful tube, and once again, is a good example of how system compatibility is always a consideration for the final sound. With my Siegfried’s, the Teles were a great match. However, it is a slightly more analytical tube than the 7316s. The Philips tube with its more liquid midrange (and still excellent bass and top end) were a surprisingly good match for the Spectral 400s. I am still tempted to try my new-in box NOS Bugle Boys and Mullards, but since preamp tubes take a good 200 hours to break-in, I’ll just have to wait until I have a good period of time for break-in. Perhaps when I’m out of town next for a week? In the meantime, I’m happy as a clam with 7316s for now.

But now, the “big one”! I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Shunyata Triton upgrade to the V2 edition from its original V1. I respect Steve’s and Russ’ opinions but their enthusiasm left me sort of “yeah, yeah , yeah- c’mon boys, we’ve heard all this before”. I was sure it was probably better. But I also thought that when I have nothing else to do with the nearly 2K it will cost to modify my unit, and when I know it won’t be grounds for divorce court, I’ll get around to it, but there was no rush. Unfortunately, Russ’s Spectral 260 amp recently bit the dust and was in need of repair. So while he was getting that done, he asked me if I wanted to borrow his unit for a week or so until his system was back up and running. We live about 1.5 hrs apart so it was an easy decision to take him up on his kind offer.

Before I put his V22 in my system. I spent the evening listening to some of my reference material, hoping I would have a good enough audio memory to be able to make the sequential comparison. I needn’t have worried. Now to be fair, I did not hear the difference instantaneously as Steven and Russ said I would. Rather it took me about 4 seconds. What can I say? I’m a slow study sometimes. But holy crap, I wasn’t ready for what I heard. What is totally exasperating is trying to understand how a product that many of us thought as damn good to begin with, could be made that much better? And I don’t mean it’s a little bit better. It’s so much better, that to be perfectly honest, it makes the V1 Triton seem broken by comparison. Let me dive a little deeper to try and convey why I think that is the case.

The idea of transparency is something we all discuss and think we understand, although I’m not sure we can articulate exactly what makes sound REPRODUCTION more or less “transparent”. One event that helped me understand this concept vividly is recalling what happened one day many years ago when I walked along a street in downtown Philly and heard live music coming our of an open window on the second story of a building. It was acoustic music- piano, sax, upright bass and drums. And what I remembered is that there was no way on God’s green earth one could ever mistake those sounds for being reproduced music. It could only have been live. And keep in mind that is with road noise, wind noise and every other polluting city street noise one can imagine. Sound reproduction surely has some physical properties we can look to in order to try and explain the “transparency” that I heard. Frequency response, amplitude, phase response, and impulse response are obvious candidates. But I suspect they are all somewhat inadequate to explain the basis for the instantaneous perception of what I heard through that open window on the street below as “real” versus reproduced sound. Transparency might explain the difference, but I’m not sure I know exactly what that means. Clearly, the speed of sound is known, but I doubt that a difference in the speed of sound accounted for the obvious perception that what I heard was real versus reproduced. Is transparency similar to the Supreme court definition of pornography (i.e. you’ll know it when you see it; or in this case, hear it), or does transparency have a physical parameter(s) than can explain the perceptual observation of knowing the sound I heard on the sidewalk was real? I honestly don’t know, but I think Triton V2 experience may have taught me something important in this regard.

One of the great benefits of using DSP, which is at the same time, potentially extremely exasperating, is that it is quite easy to tailor one’s sound to satisfy any number of parameters. For example if one wishes to increase the “presence” of the sound, one can use very judicious adjustments to do so. For example, a 0.1 dB bump from 180-400 Hz will result in increased “presence” and perhaps to some degree, provide the illusion of greater transparency to the sound one hears. However, this is often a two-edged sword, as the slightest increase in amplitude in this region can also cause the sound to be perceived too bright or too forward or just plainly not right due to a resultant loss of the correct instrument timbre. One instrument that demonstrates the effects of this adjustment most easily is the piano. Believe me, even this tiny amount of gain can screw things up big time. I know! I’ve done it repetitively, all in the effort to extract greater “transparency” from my system. However, fortunately, I have a good reference to fall back on, not only in great recordings, but in a 1923 Steinway that’s in my room and which always tells me when I’ve gone too far in trying to push the critical midrange of my system forward using poor judgment and a heavy hand on the DSP tiller.

Enter the revelation of the V2. It turns out that whatever the hell transparency is, it now seems clear to me that there is another approach to try an increase it in one’s audio system. I believe the secret to the V2 is that it quite simply lowers the noise floor so that the music signal stands out in greater relief from the background. And that, I my view, accounts for the remarkable increase in transparency that I am now hearing with the V2 across the board. . And let me be clear. It’s not subtle, and you don’t have to think hard about it. All you have to do is listen and smile. Piano now has a transparency that is closer to the real thing. The depth of the sounds that come from individual instruments are just breathtaking. I always thought that if I heard Hugh Masekela’s Coal Train (Stimela) one more time I would throw up. For goodness sake, I’ve heard it so many times that I can sing the words in Afrikaan, or Zulu, or whatever hell language Masekela speaks. But now, I’m not just hearing the words come from his lips and chest. Rather I can hear the sounds coming from and being shaped by his oral pharynx. The same is true for female singers as well. Vocals sound much more as though they come from a real person, and not just a speaker. It’s the same with all instruments. Brass instruments such as saxophone also have an astonishing amount of increased body. The only word that then comes to mind to describe this phenomenon is that everything seems to have as greater transparency. It’s not unlike the effect I experienced when I walked down that street in Philly listening to live music coming from an open window. It was unequivocally live. So is the effect of listening to reproduced music through gear powered by the V2. Its just closer to a live presentation that it was before with the V1. I think a lowered noise floor is what accounts in part for the increased sonics I hear through the V2 and is also what helps make music instantaneously recognizable as real versus reproduced. The result is in increased articulation or perhaps as Audio Research coined the term 3 decades ago, “high definition”. Indeed! It really is no surprise that this increased perception of “liveness” comes from a reduction in the noise of what goes through the V2. After all, noise reduction is Shuyata’s raison d’etre. It’s just that in the V2, it seems to be taken to new heights. Whatever the heck we wish to call it or attempt to explain it, it’s a hell of a magic trick. Except that it’s not magic at all. It’s just damn good engineering. Or as my mother would say regarding the engineer, “Mrs. Gabriel obviously didn’t raise a stupid son”.

When the 3 amigos visited Shunyata in the spring, Caelin told us that the V2 is like adding 2 Typhons to one’s system. I rolled my eyes and thought to myself “Bullshit. I like and respect the guy but this is a line too far. No AC distribution system is capable of that. He’s just trying to blow us with marketing hype.”. Well, it turned out that Caelin lied to us. The V2 is not like adding two Typhons. Rather, it’s more like adding three!! As impressed as I am with his power cords, particularly the digital (alpha or Sigma) PCs, the V2 may just be his best work to date. It is truly a landmark product. Time to step away from the equipment merry-go-round for now. I am presently a very happy camper. My V1 went back for its upgrade the next morning.

Marty, I have to say I love your posts for the way you write. But now I don't know whether to roll my eyes or run out and buy a Triton...
 

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Marty, I have to say I love your posts for the way you write. But now I don't know whether to roll my eyes or run out and buy a Triton...

Thanks, I think! Recall I called it right on your isolation transformer issue (a long essay that still awaits my writing). But that doesn't mean I got it right this time or that you will agree. Fortunately, this one is relatively easy to figure out. Buy it from a place you can return it if you don't like it. Here's an oldie but a goodie that puts it in perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qdfMYFl0Ic. Honestly, I don't think you'll return it.
 

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Thanks, I think! Recall I called it right on your isolation transformer issue (a long essay that still awaits my writing). But that doesn't mean I got it right this time or that you will agree. Fortunately, this one is relatively easy to figure out. Buy it from a place you can return it if you don't like it. Here's an oldie but a goodie that puts it in perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qdfMYFl0Ic. Honestly, I don't think you'll return it.

Thanks, Marty, for the excellent write-up. I am glad I missed out on the Triton v1 then. The v2 will definitely be one of my next upgrades (I had planned a v1 for some time, but it will be a v2 of course), but right now I don't have money. It's good then that as things currently are I am super-happy with my system anyway. Sure, it can always be better, but since the two months that I have my ASC window plugs I am simply enjoying the great and tremendously vivid music coming out of my speakers, without worrying too much about further improvements in the sound.

Yet should my Tice power conditioner break I know exactly what I'lll have to do (I can't go without any power conditioner, no way). But since it has been with me already for 24 years, it seems unlikely that it should give up on me right now.

Ian, you on the other hand should buy a Triton...and probably Cyclopses for your amps.
 

MadFloyd

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Thanks, Marty, for the excellent write-up. I am glad I missed out on the Triton v1 then. The v2 will definitely be one of my next upgrades (I had planned a v1 for some time, but it will be a v2 of course), but right now I don't have money. It's good then that as things currently are I am super-happy with my system anyway. Sure, it can always be better, but since the two months that I have my ASC window plugs I am simply enjoying the great and tremendously vivid music coming out of my speakers, without worrying too much about further improvements in the sound.

Yet should my Tice power conditioner break, I know exactly what I'lll have to do (I can't go without any power conditioner, no way). But since it has been with me already for 24 years, it seems unlikely that it should give up on me right now.

Ian, you on the other hand should buy a Triton...and probably Cyclopses for your amps.

Al, you haven't heard the Shunyata gear, why are you so convinced?

At one point because of the hype, I bought 2 Typhons, a Triton and several Shunyata power cables. I ended up selling the Triton because I nor anyone else who heard my system could hear a difference. I also sold one Typhon. The Typhon does make a difference but it is subtle. The next time you come over I will disconnect the one I still have and you can hear it for yourself.

Somewhat recently I upgraded my Alpha Digital power cable for a Sigma digital cable and didn't really hear any difference so forgive me if I remain a tad skeptical. I certainly don't suffer from expectation bias.

To be clear I'm not declaring that Shunyata gear isn't good, but I do hear a lot more difference from changing interconnects or speaker cables than I do inserting a power conditioner. That could be because of my Equitech transformer is doing a good job filtering the power.
 

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