Is there a forum or place I can post the scammer information on Audiogon?

Vin-Wei · Oct 2, 2013

I was being scammed recently and Audiogon is not very helpful so the scammer still can keep a good track record on Audiogon, I would like to warn other people be aware of the scammer.

NorthStar · Oct 2, 2013

You can post a link here and I know that some members here, if they read your post, will try their best towards your wish.

Vin-Wei · Oct 2, 2013

Thanks. Not sure if the below link works or not as this post expired. The guy's name on Audiogon is "mihael" and he disappeared after I sent the fund. Believed he live in Slovenia. I lose guard after several rounds of discussion with him and he was smart enough to only take part of the payment through wire and part of the payment through paypal.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cd-sacd-players-linn-klimax-dsm-player-2013-09-05-digital-1235

rockitman · Oct 2, 2013

That's unfortunate. He appears to have zero feedback.

audioarcher · Oct 2, 2013

Looks like he has feedback just nothing in the last 12 months. I wonder if the account was hacked?

Why did Audiogon not let you leave him negative feedback?

MylesBAstor · Oct 2, 2013

audioarcher said:
Looks like he has feedback just nothing in the last 12 months. I wonder if the account was hacked?

That's a good point!

hvbias · Oct 2, 2013

Does Audiogon still have the system where the person has to accept feedback? ie they can deny negative feedback and it will never show on their profile

Keith_W · Oct 2, 2013

I deleted another phishing email from "audiogon@aud.com" today asking me to enter my login details otherwise my account would be suspended. Naturally I did no such thing. I forwarded the email to Audiogon for their attention. Probably a waste of time - I never did receive a reply for my previous emails.

I wonder how the scammers got my email in the first place.

puroagave · Oct 2, 2013

the scammers are going back to expired ads more than a year old. i got a few phishing emails recently on a different email account than the one i registered with. they got my alternate email from an old ad where i posted my addy in the body of the description, this was right around the time of the ownership change. i forwarded the phishing emails to audiogon.

i was at the audiogon booth at the newport show and thought i overheard the gal minding the table say that 300 accounts were hacked into in the first breach

Elberoth · Oct 2, 2013

His feedback looks suspicious to me from the start - almost all feedback was left from accounts with 0 feedback. That is simply not possible in real world. It seems that he had created a 'bubble'. Sorry for your loss.

audioarcher · Oct 2, 2013

Elberoth said:
His feedback looks suspicious to me from the start - almost all feedback was left from accounts with 0 feedback. That is simply not possible in real world. It seems that he had created a 'bubble'. Sorry for your loss.

Everyone of them have feedback. Audiogon just started a new thing with their feedback that only shows the last 12 months unless you run the cursor over the feedback score. Then it will show all of the feedback. It's kind of annoying.

Elberoth · Oct 2, 2013

Yes, you are right. The new feedback system doesn't make any sense to me.

Vin-Wei · Oct 2, 2013

As some of you have noticed Audiogon just changed the feedback system last week, so it will only show the most recent one year feedback, but if you move the cursor under the feedback, it will still show the past record. This guy has a decent feedback from the last 7 years and after I checked some of the members who left feedbacks, he did complete some real transactions. so it means this guy could be an audiophile but turn into a scammer. That is the part worries me, it means he could strike again sometimes in the future. I tested his knowledge about the unit and he did know some thing about it, so I do not think this member account was hacked.

Vin-Wei · Oct 2, 2013

Audiogon did not allow me to leave feedback was because we agreed on the price through email and did not use the Buy & Offer function on Audiogon. This guy intentioanlly not post picture on the ad so he has to send the pictures to personal email then we communicate through email afterwards. In the past you can leave feedback on Audiogon easily even without complete the transaction, now Audiogon has made this very difficult and this only protect scammer like mihael.

The loss amount is not that big but I would rather donate the amount to the needed. I am trying to find a way to report to the Europa consumer protection & police system and see how it works.

Jazzhead · Oct 2, 2013

Does the part payment thru PayPal not help, in any way to trace him ?

Vin-Wei · Oct 3, 2013

I asked for the paypal account but he intentionally delayed providing it, he knew I can trace this back to him and get the money back. I do has the bank account information but he claimed that was his brother's account with the same last name, I should be alert about this by that time.

Elberoth · Oct 3, 2013

Did you report that to the police ? I belive you can chase the scammer anyway for the internet scam from the US. EU is not a Kazahstan.

Vin-Wei · Oct 4, 2013

Indeed and that is what I am doing now. I just filed the complaint with the Romania police but not sure how they will handle the cross-broder cyber crime especially the complaint is in English.

Elberoth · Oct 4, 2013

Lots of scams from Romania on AudiogoN and Audio Markt lately

Vin-Wei · Oct 23, 2013

I found this post on Audiogon suspicious, similar advertisement style, no zip code, only few feedbacks. Audiophile be aware.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/cd-sacd-players-linn-klimax-dsm-silver-2013-10-10-digital-33

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