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    Trinity DAC

    Just read about this DAC on wizard's blog: http://cybwiz.blogspot.be/2013/03/trinity-dac.html

    A very promising review:

    Review by Jeff

    I have them side by side in my mansion (dCS borrowed from a friend of Gordon). I am in a position to give you frank opinion. dCS is great, no doubt about it. But Trinity is simply another class of its own. I can tell you the characteristics of the two:

    1. dCS is about mid-range warmth. The old Scalatti was too warm and too slow. The Vivaldi system improves but it is still on the warm side of the tonal spectrum. Yet it is not about tonal coloration. Anyway, Brits know the tricks and hence it sells in Asia.

    2. But what dCS lacks clearly is "perspectives" of musical note. The structure of the soundstage is not as continuous as Trinity because the resolution of dCS is two notched down below. The Trinity is able to distinguish different type of harmonic structure of different type of instrument (string, brass, and wood) simultaneously in a truly palpable many. The superimposition of harmonic stemming from winds onto harmonics decay of the strings is so clearly delineated to form a real perspective into the musical venue of the recording with real communications between the musicans. There are simply so much more perspectives (depending on your mind target to focus on which attribute) into the recording. This completely KO the dCS, 9 out of 10 super audiophiles in my Taipei mansion unilaterally agrees. The 10 was hesitated for a while and reached the same conclusion after 10 minutes. The dCS sounds basically flat after experiencing the Trinity.

    3. Transient resolution also blows up the dCS away. An easy example, the dCS may have 10 steps of dynamic contrast from the smallest note of piano to the loudest note in 5 seconds. The trinity probably has 30 steps within the same 5 seconds. This assume your system has the resolution to reveal these contrasts.

    4. For true high resolution file via the USB port, we can forget everything else because the LIANOTEC of Trinity dac allows BIT PERFECT conversion without any digital filter. This is a proprietary design of the Trinity dac.

    This is the real end game in modern DAC. All other dacs are the same after you experienced the Trinity. David Chesky in New York would agree, I am sure, To tell you my experience, all 16/44 CD decoded by Trinity sounds much better than the same recording in DSD play thru the TAD 600 reference. You should focus on the quality of recording rather than recording format.

    I want to let you know that I sold the 4 box dCS Vivaldi system to get Trinity with pride. It saves me tremendous cost on cables and it clearly to my ears that it is simply another level. My friend who bought my dCS system did not understand why I went for a single chassis. In the last two evenings, consecutive listening of Trinity DAC in my mansion probably changed his mind.
    http://www.trinity-ed.de/typo/index.php?id=12&L=1

    Does anyone have any first hand experience with this dac?

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    I do with the dCS Vivald, Scaratti iand I wonder who jeff is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zermatt View Post
    I do with the dCS Vivald, Scaratti iand I wonder who jeff is.
    Gauging by a quick search, Jeff seems to live in HK, or somewhere about, and his comments are being distributed via Wizard's blog. He refers to his home as a mansion. That's all I need to know.
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    From the review ....

    But what dCS lacks clearly is "perspectives" of musical note. The structure of the soundstage is not as continuous as Trinity because the resolution of dCS is two notched down below.
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    The superimposition of harmonic stemming from winds onto harmonics decay of the strings is so clearly delineated to form a real perspective into the musical venue of the recording with real communications between the musicans.
    What can anyone make of these? What is a "harmonic stemming" or "harmonics decay" ... Really ?!?

    SO that is a review, and one is supposed to be informed about this DAC sound reproduction characteristics from this assembly of words? I would not dare call these sentences ...
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    dCs Vivaldi - TRINITY DAC

    [QUOTE=FrantzM;217613]Hi

    From the review ....


    Hi Franz that is not a Review, it is the comment of Jeff who sold his 4 pieces dCS Viladi sytsem to buy a TRINITY DAC. The blog can be find in the Forum at www.audioexotics.hk

    Kind Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrantzM View Post
    Hi

    From the review ....


    Hi Franz that is not a Review, it is the comment of Jeff who sold his 4 pieces dCS Viladi sytsem to buy a TRINITY DAC. The blog can be find in the Forum at www.audioexotics.hk

    Kind Regards

    dB
    TRINITY

    Welcome to the WBF, we expect to hear much more from you. The title called the piece a "review" thus my comments. Still, these comments do not tell me much. I would be willing to believe that your DAC is great if it compares with the DCS and the likes.

    Care to tell us a little bit more about you DAC, design philosophy and we are not asking too much, yourself? We may be tough at times but we pride ourselves for being balanced. Again Welcome and good life and success to your present and future products.
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    Yes, more information would be great.
    From what I gather, it uses off-the-shelf DAC chips (which?) and switched mode power supplies... Somehow I can't see that being better than the dCS, even though your clock is claimed to be 1000 times more accurate than dCS'....
    And no DSD, I suppose?


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    Welcome TRINITY, its great to here from you.

    I do know the DCS pieces well, but I am not an owner. Let me say that I would love to get my hands on a Vivaldi DAC and rip out the analog stage and replace it with tubes. Oh-well that will never happen. So my general impression of the Vivaldi stack is that it is a major upgrade from the Scarlatti, but it does have significant short comings. I do expect the DCS crew to update and revise its software to address it week points. Therefore it performance will alays be a moving target. I do love audio industry because the more innovative designers will have a chance against the industries heavy hitters.

    So I am wondering, What is in your DAC has been able gain such a praise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiufy View Post
    Yes, more information would be great.
    From what I gather, it uses off-the-shelf DAC chips (which?) and switched mode power supplies... Somehow I can't see that being better than the dCS, even though your clock is claimed to be 1000 times more accurate than dCS'....
    And no DSD, I suppose?


    alexandre
    I am Dietmar the designer of the TRINITY devices. My task is it to design electronic, which are better than the available measurement instruments. That means Ultra linear. That is what I did over 20 years in the research department of Thomson Multimedia, where I designed all the electronic for the standardisation of all digital recording standards from DVC to blu ray. By the way I had developed the first blu-ray laser driver with rise time of 350ps, which was essential for the blu-ray standardisation. During my 30 years as design engineer I have developed almost any kind of electronic from PLLs, frequency synthesizer, clock recoveries, channel codes, C-MOS ICs, GaAS ICs and so on. So actually I am not a dedicated audio designer. I personally think that is an advantage, since I solver problems in a different way.
    Another point of my philosophy is, what you see is what you get, that is the reason why I deliver every product with complete measurement protocols. I do not like to publish typical value like almost all other companies. The measurement protocols can be seen on our webpage. So it is very easy to compare my results with the one published in “Stereophile”.
    Back to the DAC, the PCM 1704 is in my eyes the best DAC architecture on the market. They are expansive, but they are worth every cent. I have developed and patented an architecture, which I call LIANOTEC, which stand for Linear Analog Oversampling TECnique. This circuit creates additional sampling point without using a digital filter in the analog domain. If you download the manual you can get a rough overview about this unique design. With this architecture you can built a ultra linear real multi-bit DAC.
    Yes all my products use special SMPS units even the Phono and as you can see on the measurement results published on the web, the noise level is extreme low at 0.5nV/Hz1/2. Conclusion if it works for such low level signals it will work for all others also as well.
    Of course I will try to answer all your questions, but before you ask RTFM.
    The USB Interface supports DSD64.
    Dietmar
    Last edited by TRINITY; 09-12-2013 at 11:32 AM. Reason: DSD64

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    Dietmar, welcome to WBF, thanks for joining the discussion, I look forward to hearing more about your DAC.

    Hopefully some of the WBF members will get a chance to hear this DAC and provide some of their listening impressions.

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