Tripoint troy signature grounding device

Mike, the ETP line is excellent. Several of our local club members have them.

Mike Lavigne said:

thank you Rudolf.

I think i'm leaning to get the Furutech e-TP809 NCF for my digital since it is consistent with my other power cord plugs and outlets. I think for power grid it is important to have one approach for transparent sound.

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Lee said:

Mike, the ETP line is excellent. Several of our local club members have them.

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hi Lee,

I assume your reference to 'the EPT line' is a reference to the Acoustic Revive 'RPT' series?

I have no doubt that the Acoustic Revive RPT-6 would be a good choice, but if i'm getting one of these 'uber' power strips, it likely makes sense to stay with my Furutech power grid pieces to be cohesive with everything else in my system.

Audiocrack said:

Here is a picture of my Emperor after Miguel had completely refurbished it and just before everything was put back into the 'box'. As mentioned before only this upgrade took him already nearly three days! So you get an idea how time consuming his 'grounding boxes' are. Hope you can see/enjoy the quality of Miguel's current work.

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thanks for the picture.

looks massive, authoritative and solid.

No, I meant the Furutech powers strip series like you are considering. "ETP" is what some of the Furutech folks call them and also what we call them for short at the audio club.

Mike Lavigne said:

hi Lee,

I assume your reference to 'the EPT line' is a reference to the Acoustic Revive 'RPT' series?

I have no doubt that the Acoustic Revive RPT-6 would be a good choice, but if i'm getting one of these 'uber' power strips, it likely makes sense to stay with my Furutech power grid pieces to be cohesive with everything else in my system.

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853guy said:

Hi Mike,

The Acoustic Revive RPT-6 Absolute NCF has also been updated with Nano Crystal Formula outlets and inlet:

http://www.lotusgroupusa.com/rtp-series-power-conditioners.html

Jeff Day reviewed it here:

http://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/the-acoustic-revive-chronicles/

Pardon the detour - back to all things Tripoint.

Best,

853guy

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I don't know about the updated one, but two years ago had compared it directly to PS audio 10 and with the acoustic revive lost soundstage, it shrank back, became less separated, and flat. Vivid G1 with Ypsilon system. The P10 there was much better

Mike Lavigne said:

thank you Rudolf.

I think i'm leaning to get the Furutech e-TP809 NCF for my digital since it is consistent with my other power cord plugs and outlets. I think for power grid it is important to have one approach for transparent sound.

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What's the retail for this?

bonzo75 said:

What's the retail for this?

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Looks like the Furutech e-TP809 NCF retails for $3,500 US.

bonzo75 said:

I don't know about the updated one, but two years ago had compared it directly to PS audio 10 and with the acoustic revive lost soundstage, it shrank back, became less separated, and flat. Vivid G1 with Ypsilon system. The P10 there was much better

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2 years ago I doubt that the AR model had the NCF material. but I'm guessing.

Hi,

I am thinking about getting the Tripoint Sig. and want to make sure that I can hook up two of the three posts on the back of it to the right and left (neg.) speaker posts on my amp (without shorting it). Is this how most are using it, or can/should it only be attached to the chassis of the amp? Hope my question is clear. TIA.

oops, double post.

Iamrael said:

Hi,

I am thinking about getting the Tripoint Sig. and want to make sure that I can hook up two of the three posts on the back of it to the right and left (neg.) speaker posts on my amp (without shorting it). Is this how most are using it, or can/should it only be attached to the chassis of the amp? Hope my question is clear. TIA.

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It should only be attached to the chasis of the amp. Tripoint does not recommend to hook itupto the speaker posts of the amp.

The Tripoint Empress is designed to hook up to speakers at speaker posts.

Kind regards,
Tang

Tango said:

It should only be attached to the chasis of the amp. Tripoint does not recommend to hook itupto the speaker posts of the amp.

The Tripoint Empress is designed to hook up to speakers at speaker posts.

Kind regards,
Tang

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Thanks!

this week I've been enjoying the Tripoint Troy Signature and Tripoint Elite with new footers making significant performance upgrades, with a considerable effect to the musical consequences. and I realized I had not posted it in the Tripoint thread. I view these developments as more about the Tripoint and it's upside unleashed, and not as much about the footers. in fact; as this week goes forward and the implications of what i'm hearing sink in, i'm moving more toward Audiocrack's perspective that Tripoint is a fundamental system building block and not just a tweak. these changes have fundamentally altered the character of my system.....and clearly for the better.

and maybe previously I had not worked hard enough to optimize the Tripoints so had not fully experienced what they could be capable of. but now I do fully appreciate what they are doing.

I've added the Hardpoint Serene footers to my Tripoint Troy Signature which is chassis grounding the darTZeel 458 mono blocks, and also my passive MM7 speaker towers. adding these footers has allowed the Troy -> 458 combo to improve image focus, dynamic precision and soundstage organization. it's calmed down the presentation, right sized images, and added additional energy and tension. like these things go, it's not huge......but the result is huge.

and I've added the Hardpoint Trinia's to the Tripoint Elite, which is chassis grounding my sources. this has changed the the tonal balance of my system, adding body and tonal richness across the music, as well as adding dimension and propulsion to the presentation. this change, I am now a few days later realizing, is really staggering in it's consequences.

the combination of this 'tuning' of the 2 Tripoints has really taken things to another musical level. it's like the system has been going along near some tipping point of almost all the way there.......and this little thing has made that magical difference. I cannot say that many other types of floor interfaces might not also unleash these Tripoints.......but only that these Hardpoints are doing it in my system. and if you have not optimized that aspect with your Tripoint you won't know what it can do.

my friend jazdoc was over last night; and we have always had different sounding systems and musical compasses.....his tubes and tone.....mine solid state and information. none-the-less he has been a great tempering influence on me and kept a level head to my excesses. I knew when I first heard what the Hardpoints were doing on the Tripoint Elite that the FR balance change would appeal to him. but over a few days it's become much more than just that. and last night he reacted to my system in a completely different way that he ever has in 10+ years of frequent visits. and that was quite a profound data point for me.

my friend jazdoc was over last night; and we have always had different sounding systems and musical compasses.....his tubes and tone.....mine solid state and information. none-the-less he has been a great tempering influence on me and kept a level head to my excesses. I knew when I first heard what the Hardpoints were doing on the Tripoint Elite that the FR balance change would appeal to him. but over a few days it's become much more than just that. and last night he reacted to my system in a completely different way that he ever has in 10+ years of frequent visits. and that was quite a profound data point for me.

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Yup, Mike and I have been friends for a long time, and I have been a frequent visitor to his room which has afforded me a front seat to witness the evolution of his system. For me, last evening's long listening session represented a milestone in his system's development. Mike had made multiple changes to his system related primarily to resonance control since my last visit one week(!) ago which he discusses on multiple threads. He offered to spend 20 minutes describing all of the changes...I declined . Before describing my personal impressions, by the end of the evening it struck me that what I was hearing was the result of an ongoing journey in system optimization (aka 'tweaking') during the past couple of years focused on:

1. Optimizing room acoustics
2. Clean power
3. Improving speaker/room interaction
4. Grounding
5. Resonance control

These tweaks have sometimes occurred isolation making it easy to isolate their effects, other times the tweaking has run in tandem, making it difficult to characterize individual changes. Not all of Mike's experimenting has been successful, but to his credit, he has tenaciously pressed forward. What follows is an overall impression of the current sound of Mike's system as of last evening (something may have changed since then ) with my perception of the overall evolution of the sonic signature during the past few years. I am unable to ascribe a sonic attribute to a specific tweak; rather this is an overview.

As a little background, like all visitors, the first time I walked into the barn, I was overwhelmed. As you know, the room is aesthetically gorgeous: the scale of the craftsmanship and attention to detail is otherworldly. But the space is also warm and inviting and Mike is the ultimate audio host. The system has always been impressive and I've never had anything but a great time during my many, many visits. More than once, I have left happy but confused, unable to sort out Mike's latest change(s). Other visits were sonically disappointing as the latest changes were not pleasing to my ear, despite Mike's enthusiasm. Usually, I could usually go home and feel comfortable with the sonic compromises of my system which reflected my personal audio compass. Last evening's session was different and extraordinary; and the longer we listened the better things got.

1. The system has always been impressive with large scale pieces, i.e. orchestral works, Led Zep, etc but seemed to struggle with smaller ensembles which seemed unnaturally large. This has improved over the last few months, but last night, the sense of scale was uncanny. Where before Charlie Rouse sounded 10' tall on Sphere's "Flight Path", now he was more visceral and scale was human, but there was no diminution of scale during Reiner's "Scheherazade".
2. The sense of ambience is delightful. We played a Redbook CD rip of "How Deep Is The Ocean" by Nicholas Payton and Doc Cheatham and I realized that you could visualize the recording booth where the vocal tracks were laid down. I've listened to this CD hundreds of times; never heard that before. (BTW, CD rips sound amazing with Mike's system!).
3. Noise...there isn't any. I mean none, zero, nada, zilch zippo.
4. My perception of system stridency has been resolved. Initially I thought that things might be too 'soft' on the top end, but with more listening, I believe that it is software dependent. Brass instruments retain the expected 'bite'. (Note to Mike: let's play with analog set up during next visit.)
5. Bass goes deeper but is more tuneful. (Again, let's check analog set up to see if we can take things further....)
6. Tonality of percussion has made a quantum leap forward. There is something about a stick hitting a drum head the really challenges an audio system. I heard terrific percussive tone color...live percussion instruments are not monochromatic!
7. Over many visits, I have been of the opinion that the front to back depth of the rig was exaggerated and instruments did not project much in front of the speaker plane. This is unnatural, resulting in a 'hi-fi' quality. It was oft times mind blowing hi-fi, but hi-fi nonetheless. This has been fixed and IMO, helps create the illusion of real musicians in the room; the music is much, much more visceral and realistic.
8. Mike's system could always play loudly without losing the grip on the music, but couldn't always pressurize the room realistically a al #&. The dynamics were literally startling last evening during Ben Webster's "Live At The Renaissance" on vinyl and Pablo Aslan's "Avantango" via Redbook CD rip.

Whew! Sorry about the length of the post, but there's a lot going on at Mike's! IMO, last night was the best I have heard in the barn during 10+ years. I won't call it a culmination, rather an important landmark on the journey...

Mike & Rudolf,
I called Miguel a couple years ago and inquired about a Troy SE and was close to taking a leap of faith and ordering one until my wife got pregnant and we had our first son. Fast-forward to now and we have 2 sons, all of Audiocrack's Thor cables, and an Elite arriving in January. I'm really looking forward to 2018 and sharing opinions about the Elite and what it is capable of producing or should I say eliminating. I've read everything I can find about the Troy SE and Elite and have no doubt it will be worth its weight in gold...and black. I hope you guys are enjoying them and I'm interested to hear more about the footers and and what they bring to the table. I really enjoy this thread and WBF and am always lurking and reading everything I can about products that interest me from real world users. More to come...

Dave