Cables and the Peter Principle
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Have you actually researched this? Where's the proof? Where's the list of designers and creds? Or is this just another sweeping, flat earth generalization? I can tell you right now that cable manufacturer Paul Kaplan who 's a member of WB is an MSEE and teaches.
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TEN dollars per individual connection [$20. per side].
Cost approximately TEN dollars per individual connection [$20. per side] = I use the ones that I build.
I hear the difference between some speaker cables.
That is why I have very expensive boxes full of cables in storage.
No, I do not manufacture.
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Cost approximately TEN dollars per individual connection [$20. per side] = I use the ones that I build.
I hear the difference between some speaker cables.
That is why I have very expensive boxes full of cables in storage.
No, I do not manufacture.
zz.
I need some "audiophile approved" Ethernet cable to connect my converters!
Bruce, hold on , I will put a cable in my freezer for a few days then once that cryo test
is performed I'll hook that cable up to a pair of laptops with 'Packetcheck' loaded and make a test, once that test passed I'll sell you that NOW special Audiophile approved and tested cable with test results for $100 It would be hard to tell that he has a MSEE from his underwhelming, non-informative cable web-page. It just may have less technical information that any other cable page.
Great! Could he point me to some academic literature on audibility of cables? I'm very keen to learn.
Well it's interesting that you keep insisting on academic refs and any experiments we've seen totally ignore anything we know about testing and perception, biology, physiology, appropriate controls, etc.
TO BEGIN WITH, SHOW ME ONE STUDY WHERE THEY'VE DONE THE APPROPRIATE INTERNAL CONTROL (S). NO NOT JUST ON SOME EXPERIMENT, BUT WITHIN THE ACTUAL TRIAL QUOTED! You can't because it doesn't exist.
But this has all been said before and it's just beating a dead horse because engineers know it all 'cause it says so in some textbook.
Not sure what your post means. Is it saying that every claim that is ever made regarding 'magic' (for want of a better word) remains valid until someone proves otherwise?
What I was referring to earlier was that if academic qualifications are being invoked as evidence of something (someone has an MSEE, apparently) then the least we should be able to do is to read the relevant subject matter that their degree covers. If there's none - and it seems to be none when it comes to the audible effects of cables - then what is being suggested is that if someone has a degree in astronomy but makes their living from astrology, that provides some sort of academic/scientific vindication of astrology.
What I was referring to earlier was that if academic qualifications are being invoked as evidence of something (someone has an MSEE, apparently) then the least we should be able to do is to read the relevant subject matter that their degree covers. If there's none - and it seems to be none when it comes to the audible effects of cables - then what is being suggested is that if someone has a degree in astronomy but makes their living from astrology, that provides some sort of academic/scientific vindication of astrology.
Tom,
Apologies, I have missed your answer in due time. Unfortunately you skipped the important point - what were exactly the measured characteristics - and enter in the usual easy speech about the golden ears, preferences and the dark side.
I find curious, that except Ethan, Don and perhaps someone I am forgetting, most other people who say loving the objective cause do not like to use %, Hz, V, ohm or dB in their answers or posts.
So let's see is this a business or academics?
And let's see, having all this stuff on his website is going to help him sell.....nothing! Makes zero, zip sense.
Do you really think his customers are more concerned with how it sounds in their system or the measurements. Perhaps you've purchased the gear for your audio system based on measurement but rest assured you're in the minority.
Why don't you ask Spectral if they think there is any engineering and science involved with the MIT/Spectral cables they require to be used with their electronics.
The only "academic qualifications card" that I played was a negative one, suggesting that formal science has nothing to say on the matter, which puts the keen student of audio engineering in a bit of a bind. He is being told by people that he is ignorant of something quite profound. "Night and day" differences are being reported when the engineering suggests there should be virtually no audible difference. If it is true, it puts all the student's training into question. The only remedy must be to question his tutors about it, and if he gets no response there, to show them the available literature so they can go over it together. But.... there is no literature! Why? It could be a conspiracy amongst wicked scientists to suppress findings they can't explain. Maybe there's a whole heap of papers in a sealed file next to the Roswell stuff, but thank goodness for the outsiders, the mavericks, the nonconformists who defy the authorities at great personal risk to g?i?v?e? sell their discoveries to the world.
Or something like that.
You must admit, it's a bit odd. If I want to learn how to design an amplifier or build a speaker, there are infinite amounts of literature out there that I can learn from, without even having to pay anyone. Scientific papers galore, web sites, online books. People only too keen to impart their wisdom and help me to do it. But if, to finish off my self-built system, I decide I'd like a choice of my own home made cables to cover the range*: 'cool', 'warm', 'fast', 'languid', 'stark', 'coherent', I find there's nothing at all that feels 'authoritative' on how to do it. All I can do is to pay some of the aforementioned noble pioneers a token few thousand dollars (to cover heatshrink and polyester braiding costs) for their cables. It's very strange.
(all adjectives taken from http://www.stereophile.com/cables/audience_au24e_cables/index.html)
True enough, but to return to the original premise of the thread, it's not the lack of science that is keeping you from hearing these night and day differences, it is the lack of transparency in your system that cannot reveal these profound improvements.
Tim
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