Humbled Apple Admits Hacking After Releasing Removal Tool

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Here’s a shocking statistic, and one that Apple would NEVER want consumers to know…20% of Mac computers have been infected by some kind of malware.
That’s a high number from a company that touts the invulnerability of its OS. Now Apple is disclosing more chinks in its armor. Once Forbes went on record to say Apple is the most valuable company in human history, Apple has done its best to retain that reputation and avoiding any mention of weakness. But it looks like reality is trumping reputation for the tech juggernaut.

Apple Releases Quick Fix
After similar attacks on Facebook, Apple admitted its own systems were infected and released a removal tool a few months ago. This admission was far from a total disclosure of vulnerability. According to the official statement, no information ever left Apple and no real damage was done.
Apparently the attack was startling enough to require an additional software release. Consumers will probably never know, considering Apple’s legendary internal security. The company seems founded on the Vegas maxim “What happens on the island, stays on the island.”

Software Not the Only Access for Hackers
Apple’s OS is still one of the most secure ever designed (except for Linux, which is another story), but software is not the only way in. Recently, an experimental hacking team at the Georgia Institute of Technology created an inexpensive iPhone and iPad charger that can easily infect any iOS system and, eventually, the Mac OS as well. The significance of this experiment is obvious: how many Apple device owners haven’t looked for cheaper aftermarket accessories?
This isn’t the only time Apple hardware has been toppled. In 2011 professional hacker Charlie Miller created code that shut down the MacBook’s battery. Although this code did not leak out, it did create a sensation among hackers and programmers worldwide. It finally exposed an Achilles’ heel of the technology giant.

Apple is the New Everest for Hackers
Apple has learned a harsh reality: being the most valuable company in history paints a target on your back. Now, hackers and cybercriminals all over the world are salivating to bring down this giant. Not exactly welcome news. And no matter how much Apple invests in its software creation and security, the resources of black hat hackers will always be more. Ambition is the most effective motivator, for good or bad.

In Defense of Apple
No reader should think Apple is now a bad bet in software or hardware. Far from it. The software is still intuitive, speedy and easy-to-use. For all genres of media, it remains the standard and no hacking will change that anytime soon. The quality of the hardware is legendary and, of all devices available, holds its value better than any competitor. Just zip to eBay and auction a Zune from 2005 and an iPod from 2005, and see which gets the better price. Apple still defines quality.
But the ever-increasing skill of cybercriminals and our reliance on digital commerce make computer security essential now more than ever. Owning an Apple doesn’t mean being impervious to the viruses that plague PCs. No matter how respected Apple is, being the best doesn’t mean being invincible. Even Superman had kryptonite.
 

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Removal tool?
Where was that? I didn't see it...

I guess someone made a mistake. Apple's developer system was hacked this past weekened, and Apple admitted it. Nothing to do with Apple's products...


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Removal tool?
Where was that? I didn't see it...

I guess someone made a mistake. Apple's developer system was hacked this past weekened, and Apple admitted it. Nothing to do with Apple's products...


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Denial is not the best way to deal with this. Understand that no system can be perfectly safe. if you are a security guru or an OS specialist, perhaps you don't need an anti-virus for all the other people .. Use an anti-virus or other tool to protect your system if available.
 

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I would be interested to know how many Mac users here actually use an antiviral program. I don't

Nor do I on my Mac but I do on my PC. I have yet to use anti-virus software that did not massively reduce performance on a PC. Norton was the worst by orders of magnitude. My bet is that anti-virus software will hurt my Mac performance as well.

I would be willing to give something a try if enough competent users testify that it effects performance very little.
 

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Nor do I on my Mac but I do on my PC. I have yet to use anti-virus software that did not massively reduce performance on a PC. Norton was the worst by orders of magnitude. My bet is that anti-virus software will hurt my Mac performance as well.

I would be willing to give something a try if enough competent users testify that it effects performance very little.
I use the free Microsoft Defender. It uses 1 to 2% of the CPU when opening a browser page to a new site. And this is on my 3-4 year old laptop. It is not noticeable at all and given the free cost, it is a very good deal. Norton stuff is very invasive in more ways than one.
 

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On the main topic, the core operating system in MacOS is more secure than Windows. But that is not the favorite attack surface. Folks go after infecting your browser and taking over your online accounts. On that front, Apple does not enjoy an advantage by design. And is further crippled by not taking security remotely as seriously as Microsoft and Google do. So the day someone really goes after the platform to cause serious damage, the damage will be deep and very hard for Apple to respond to due to lack of internal expertise and processes.

At Microsoft, you got a job if you could spell security. We were always hiring such experts. Every security fix had to get sign off from the VP in charge of that code so that they knew a) it was their code that had the vulnerability and b) saw the frequency of them. Microsoft Research was constantly developing new tools where at the time the program was compiled, such issues could be caught. There were strict processes put in place for dealing with crisis including how to deal with people who wanted to extort money as to not disclose the breaches they had found! There were regular training on code security down to even the secretary at the company! I doubt that any of this is remotely in place at Apple. Here is an example of the impression it then leaves: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/22/app...on-gaping-security-flaw#awesm=~oclaRviSzCrwvt

Apple Users Face Major Security Threat, But Wouldn't Had Apple Acted Faster
Apple's latest security faux pax involves a vulnerability that allows an attack to reset your Apple ID password just by knowing your email address and birthday. And that's compounded by yet another security misstep.

When it comes to user security at Apple, it's one step forward, two steps back.

Yesterday, the company belatedly announced long-needed two-step verification security for Apple IDs, only two years after Google rolled out the protective measure for its users. Today comes word of a massive security flaw that reportedly lets anyone reset your Apple account password if they know your email and your birthday.

(See also: Apple Finally Gets Serious About User Security)

But here's the punch line: While two-step verification would protect Apple users from this exploit, the company has subjected all requests to activate the security measure to a three day delay. Even then, two-step verification is only available to users in the U.S., the UK, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand.

How To Protect Yourself

A step-by-step guide to exploiting this vulnerability is still available online, although we won't link to it here. Basically, it involves pasting in a modified URL on Apple's iForgot page when prompted to answer the date-of-birth security question to reset your password.

The surest way to protect yourself in the short term — i.e., without two-step verification — is to change your birthday, the Verge's Chris Welch writes. To its credit, Apple has already disabled its password reset page, presumably to disrupt any attempts to hijack user accounts. With any luck it will have the flaw fixed as soon as possible, although the company has yet to make any public statements regarding the flaw.

This turn of events follows by just days an earlier Apple security faux paux. The company released iOS 6.1.3 for the sole purpose of fixing a lock-screen bypass that let users with a knack for expert timing access an iPhone's contacts and photo library. Yet later that day it become clear that the update contained yet another lock-screen bypass flaw.

This password reset hack is considerably more destructive than the lockscreen problem, which essentially only allows a would-be hacker to peek at a stolen iPhone's contacts and photo library. Still, it's certainly been a bad week for Apple in the user-security department.

We've contacted Apple and will update if and when we hear back.

Update: According to the Verge, Apple acknowledges the vulnerability and says it's working on it.
 

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Denial is not the best way to deal with this. Understand that no system can be perfectly safe. if you are a security guru or an OS specialist, perhaps you don't need an anti-virus for all the other people .. Use an anti-virus or other tool to protect your system if available.

Both links posted point to the exact same thing I wrote: Apple's developer site was hacked. That's a world of difference between compromising USER's machines, and the existance of malware and a "removal tool".

Please tell me where I can read more about this malware, and "removal tool". Until then, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they don't exist, nor am I in "denial".

I don't use an antivirus, and never have, and don't plan to. When Macs start needing antivirus software, Apple failed, and I'll switch to something else.


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Both links posted point to the exact same thing I wrote: Apple's developer site was hacked. That's a world of difference between compromising USER's machines, and the existance of malware and a "removal tool".
What operating system does apple run for its own web site?

Please tell me where I can read more about this malware, and "removal tool". Until then, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they don't exist, nor am I in "denial".
http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-mac-was-hacked-2013-2

Apple is the latest U.S. company to admit being hacked, Reuters reports.
Apple says hackers cracked a few of its employees' laptops, but no data appeared to have been stolen.

It says it is the same group of hackers that attacked Facebook. Initially we believed the hack was from China, but Bloomberg BusinessWeek now says it's coming from Eastern Europe.

Apple says it's planning on releasing a software update that will save its customers from being hacked by the same people.

Chinese attacks on U.S. corporations appear to be on the rise. Tech companies like Apple, Facebook, Google, and Twitter have all admitted to being targeted by hackers.

In a more expansive explanation of what happened, Apple told Ina Fried at AllThingsD:

"Apple has identified malware which infected a limited number of Mac systems through a vulnerability in the Java plug-in for browsers ... The malware was employed in an attack against Apple and other companies, and was spread through a website for software developers. We identified a small number of systems within Apple that were infected and isolated them from our network. There is no evidence that any data left Apple. We are working closely with law enforcement to find the source of the malware."


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So the employee Macs were infected by merely visiting a web site. That is the threat that I explained. Yes, the vulnerability was through Java but others exists that will be exploited.

I don't use an antivirus, and never have, and don't plan to. When Macs start needing antivirus software, Apple failed, and I'll switch to something else.

alexandre
If a piece of hardware controlling centrifuge system in an atomic plant can be infected to self destroy the machines it was controlling, nothing is safe! Best to be careful, not visiting suspect sites, and installing anti-virus. I ran without anti-virus for 30 years but my luck ran out and picked up (an innocent) virus. That got me to finally run antivirus.
 

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I only use Windows Defender and I haven't had a virus in years. All you need to do is stay away from suspect sites and not open anything that you have some doubt about.
 

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What operating system does apple run for its own web site?

Not MacOS. Actually, Mobile Me/iCloud runs on Microsoft Azure. Maybe that's why it sucks so much?

http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-mac-was-hacked-2013-2

Apple is the latest U.S. company to admit being hacked, Reuters reports.
Apple says hackers cracked a few of its employees' laptops, but no data appeared to have been stolen.

It says it is the same group of hackers that attacked Facebook. Initially we believed the hack was from China, but Bloomberg BusinessWeek now says it's coming from Eastern Europe.

Apple says it's planning on releasing a software update that will save its customers from being hacked by the same people.

Chinese attacks on U.S. corporations appear to be on the rise. Tech companies like Apple, Facebook, Google, and Twitter have all admitted to being targeted by hackers.

In a more expansive explanation of what happened, Apple told Ina Fried at AllThingsD:

"Apple has identified malware which infected a limited number of Mac systems through a vulnerability in the Java plug-in for browsers ... The malware was employed in an attack against Apple and other companies, and was spread through a website for software developers. We identified a small number of systems within Apple that were infected and isolated them from our network. There is no evidence that any data left Apple. We are working closely with law enforcement to find the source of the malware."


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So the employee Macs were infected by merely visiting a web site. That is the threat that I explained. Yes, the vulnerability was through Java but others exists that will be exploited.


If a piece of hardware controlling centrifuge system in an atomic plant can be infected to self destroy the machines it was controlling, nothing is safe! Best to be careful, not visiting suspect sites, and installing anti-virus. I ran without anti-virus for 30 years but my luck ran out and picked up (an innocent) virus. That got me to finally run antivirus.

Java is cross-platform. It could've affected ANY computer. The hackers targeted Apple, the company, because they likely wanted information that only those inside would have. What attack vector did they use? Java, that has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

After this episode, whenever a Java vulnerability is discovered, Apple automatically pushes an update to users that disable the Java plug-in for browsers. No need to use 1% to 2% of your CPU time with an antivirus for that...


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Not MacOS. Actually, Mobile Me/iCloud runs on Microsoft Azure. Maybe that's why it sucks so much?
What does MobileMe/iCloud have to do with apple developer site that had been hacked? Do you have a link to what technology Apple is using to power its developer web site?

Java is cross-platform. It could've affected ANY computer. The hackers targeted Apple, the company, because they likely wanted information that only those inside would have. What attack vector did they use? Java, that has more holes in it than swiss cheese.
I thought your argument was superiority and lack of breaches on MacOS. If it is just as vulnerable as "ANY" computer because it includes software like other computers, then that argument is lost.

After this episode, whenever a Java vulnerability is discovered, Apple automatically pushes an update to users that disable the Java plug-in for browsers. No need to use 1% to 2% of your CPU time with an antivirus for that...alexandre
We call that whistling dixie in US.... Or sticking one's head in the sand. http://www.scmagazine.com/flaws-patched-in-apples-safari-browser-and-ios-6/article/266748/#

"Apple has released updates to address flaws in its Safari 6 web browser and iOS 6 mobile operating system.

The fixes were made available on Thursday and address two vulnerabilities in Safari 6.0.2. The bugs, which lie in WebKit, an open source web browser engine, could allow for “unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution” if users visited a malicious website, according to Apple's summary of the flaws."


http://threatpost.com/apple-patches-mass-of-security-bugs-in-os-x-and-safari [June 2013]

"Apple has updated both OS X and its Safari browser, fixing a pile of security vulnerabilities, many of which can be used for remote code execution. The release of OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.4 includes patches for more than 30 bugs, most notably a set of fixes for vulnerabilities in Ruby, some of which are being exploited at this point."

Since there is definite time lapse between the time such breaches are found and a fix is developed, tested and released to customers, can you explain how you think your computer was not vulnerable during that time?

As with Apple, its customers are so unaware of the risks to the platform that they are more vulnerable than users on other platforms. That sense of security will come to an end one day with a nasty breach. You can choose to be prepared on that day with proper protection or be a victim of it in the name of defending a platform for the sake of it. Choice is yours.
 

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What does MobileMe/iCloud have to do with apple developer site that had been hacked? Do you have a link to what technology Apple is using to power its developer web site?

Here: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=developer.apple.com

Used to be MacOS, but now it's "unknown". It's likely a variation of Linux, since apple.com and itunesconnect.apple.com are Linux.

I used the MobileMe/iCloud example to illustrate the fact that Apple does NOT use MacOS Server for its own servers. That is a well-known fact, widely publicised.

I thought your argument was superiority and lack of breaches on MacOS. If it is just as vulnerable as "ANY" computer because it includes software like other computers, then that argument is lost.


We call that whistling dixie in US.... Or sticking one's head in the sand. http://www.scmagazine.com/flaws-patched-in-apples-safari-browser-and-ios-6/article/266748/#

"Apple has released updates to address flaws in its Safari 6 web browser and iOS 6 mobile operating system.

The fixes were made available on Thursday and address two vulnerabilities in Safari 6.0.2. The bugs, which lie in WebKit, an open source web browser engine, could allow for “unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution” if users visited a malicious website, according to Apple's summary of the flaws."


http://threatpost.com/apple-patches-mass-of-security-bugs-in-os-x-and-safari [June 2013]

"Apple has updated both OS X and its Safari browser, fixing a pile of security vulnerabilities, many of which can be used for remote code execution. The release of OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.4 includes patches for more than 30 bugs, most notably a set of fixes for vulnerabilities in Ruby, some of which are being exploited at this point."

Since there is definite time lapse between the time such breaches are found and a fix is developed, tested and released to customers, can you explain how you think your computer was not vulnerable during that time?

As with Apple, its customers are so unaware of the risks to the platform that they are more vulnerable than users on other platforms. That sense of security will come to an end one day with a nasty breach. You can choose to be prepared on that day with proper protection or be a victim of it in the name of defending a platform for the sake of it. Choice is yours.

Sure, there are security breaches and exploits in MacOS itself, as well as other cross-platform code, such as the Unix bits, as well as Java/Flash.
You managed to come up with 1 example of a Safari update due to security issues. Frankly, I can't be bothered to pull up a list of Microsoft updates. You just need to install a brand new Windows machine and see how many updates are available.

I do agree that "security through obscurity" never helped the end users, and Apple is well known for "obscuring" things. So far, Apple hasn't dropped the ball, and Mac users ARE safe, no matter what antivirus-dependant Windows users tell them.

Anyway, why are we talking about end users and desktop OSes, when the hack was done on a corporate server infrastructure, that's used only by Apple developers?


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Here: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=developer.apple.com

Used to be MacOS, but now it's "unknown". It's likely a variation of Linux, since apple.com and itunesconnect.apple.com are Linux.

I used the MobileMe/iCloud example to illustrate the fact that Apple does NOT use MacOS Server for its own servers. That is a well-known fact, widely publicised.
So we can now answer the question you asked: "Actually, Mobile Me/iCloud runs on Microsoft Azure. Maybe that's why it sucks so much?"

Answer is no, it doesn't suck because they use Microsoft technology since it doesn't use such software. It sucks because all software can suck when it comes to security breaches. You cannot have a virus free software world any more than you can have it with respect to our bodies and real viruses.

Sure, there are security breaches and exploits in MacOS itself, as well as other cross-platform code, such as the Unix bits, as well as Java/Flash.
So therefore as a user, you need to protect yourself.

You managed to come up with 1 example of a Safari update due to security issues. Frankly, I can't be bothered to pull up a list of Microsoft updates. You just need to install a brand new Windows machine and see how many updates are available.
How is that related to you not believing in running anti-virus on your machine? If Windows had 10X more breaches or 10X less, how would that impact your situation on MacOS? I didn't tell you to switch to Windows to get less viruses. I said that Microsoft as a company, and others like Google, take security more seriously than Apple. I didn't say that was the reason to switch to them. But that despite the bad names companies like Microsoft have in this regard, in reality they are far better prepared to deal with breaches than Apple.

And how many examples would be enough? Why isn't the one enough when it has this in it: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/06/05/apples-os-x-and-safari-get-biggish-security-fixes/

"Safari 6.0.5 deals with no fewer than 23 CVE-listed remote code execution vulnerabilities.

That's the sort of bug that can lead to infection-just-by-browsing, where malicious software delivered into your browser manages to escape and execute outside your browser without stopping to ask for permission."


23 fixes of such high severity (i.e. executing whatever code the hacker wanted on your machine) is huge.

So far, Apple hasn't dropped the ball, and Mac users ARE safe, no matter what antivirus-dependant Windows users tell them.
Every one of those 23 fixes above is an example of dropping the ball. The fact that you are not infected or someone else you know is no indication of safety. As I said, I ran without AV for 30 years. Did that make Windows safe as a result?

Anyway, why are we talking about end users and desktop OSes, when the hack was done on a corporate server infrastructure, that's used only by Apple developers?

alexandre
Did you miss the first line of the article? "Here’s a shocking statistic, and one that Apple would NEVER want consumers to know…20% of Mac computers have been infected by some kind of malware." Maybe your machine is infected and you just don't know it! Without AV, you would have no idea. Indeed, that is how I found the infection on my machine. As I said, the infection had no effect on my machine's operation. I just thought I should scan and see and there it was.

That is what Frantz and I are talking about.
 

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About Anti-virus being a hog on a system. Modern days computers have more powerful than most people wil even need a reduction of that power of the order of even 10% will hardly be noticeable. I have an i7 laptop with ssd and for the most part most of the core are idling even when I am running Visio or Photoshop or running several programs at once .. The drop in performance running 5, 6 programs is uncomsequential to me...
At one point this fall sense of security will come crashing down on many . I think this admission by Apple is a sly way to forewarne their customers/fans. On that some malware are very subtle they do things without calling attention to them. I have seen at a customer a case of keystrokes recorder seating unrecognized on systems for a long time ..only deep scanning by specific anti virus (some would not even see the malware) would uncover it. The only safe way to not get any virus for the vast majority of users would be to never go on the Internet and never share any file with anyone, that includes music files.. Some have been found to infected ....
 

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Sure, the article can claim 20% of Mac users are infected. But I reserve my right not to believe in anything I read, and that article in particular.

As I said Apple is threading a dangerous path, of "security through obscurity". That doesn't work too well for end users. So I agree that Microsoft takes security very seriously, as they should, after being hammered repeatedly. Don't know enough about Google's efforts, though, but from the reports I've seen, Android is wide open for malware.

As a developer, I know what Apple has been doing with its security efforts, on both OSes. It's a different paradigm, where the OS is locked down enough to make things difficult for malware. A lot of the apps and features that are possible on Android just aren't possible on iOS simply because of this security model! No regular app could have the kind of access that the feature would require. Old time users KNOW this, but Apple needs to make this clearer.

The fact that people (detractors) have to use such non-related occurance as this one (hacking a corporate SERVER running a different OS) to blast Apple, and without a single mass deployed malware out in the open, is what makes me a little more secure in my convinction. No, a report of from source X claiming Y percent of Macs are infected won't do. I want to see a sh*tstorm like the many Windows virus that paralysed many economies happen, before I can call Apple a failure.


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Sure, the article can claim 20% of Mac users are infected. But I reserve my right not to believe in anything I read, and that article in particular.
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Fair enough. I did a bit searching and data quickly popped out to clarify that 20% number. The info comes from an antivirus company called Sophos. They offer a free anti-virus (AV) program and monitored what the program found on 100,000 Macs that downloaded them during a specific period. They found 20% of the Macs were infected by malware. But here is the interesting part: majority of the infections were on the hosted Windows environment on the Mac. Those infections would not affect MacOS running side by side of Windows on that Mac, but would obvious spread to other Windows machines. So by not running AV on their Macs, these Macs becomes ready carriers to spread these viruses.

Mac-only viruses accounted for 2.7% of the machines evaluated. While much smaller than 20%, having 3 out of 100 Macs where we are talking about millions of Macs, is not an insignificant number. And certainly more than the zero vulnerability impression Mac users tend to have. Here is one of many articles on this: http://www.techspot.com/news/48328-sophos-20-of-macs-harbor-windows-malware.html

"Sophos previously warned of this phenomenon. Last year, it tested 50 USB drives lost in public. Two thirds (33) were infected, including seven seemingly owned by Mac users. Naturally, Windows malware can't affect OS X, but Macs can infect PCs, so Windows users should still keep their guard up when accepting data from Mac users.

In the latest study, Sophos found that only 2.7% of the infected Macs contain malware actually harmful to them, with 75% of it being Flashback variants. Of the 20% harboring Windows malware, 12.2% carry Bredo, a three-year-old Trojan. Sophos notes that some machines contain malware samples dating back as far as 2007."


Interesting note about these Macs harboring three-year old viruses which are likely blocked from Windows machines these days. They go on to say:

"Although most of the malware we're currently seeing on Macs is designed to infect Windows, you should still be a responsible member of society and ensure that you're keeping your Mac squeaky clean. Currently, Mac users are doing a pretty poor job on that front," the outfit said before offering a handful of common sense tips:

Run an anti-virus program, and make sure it's kept up-to-date.
Keep your security patches up-to-dated - not just for your operating system, but also for programs which you run on your Mac
Exercise caution about the programs you install, the links you click on and the attachments you open
Keep your wits about you and stay informed! If you keep clued-up about security threats you are less likely to be tricked by a cybercriminal into making a poor decision."


Which is what we have been suggesting in this thread. And same strategy for Windows users just the same.
 

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