Fremer Does Detective Work
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Good question. One could do something similar for uncounted CD sales; the Grateful Dead alone sell 350,000 - 400,000 CD's per year (directly) that are not tracked, groups like Pearl Jam probably at least twice as many. Those two groups alone may match the LP sales of big retailers like Acoustic Sounds and Music Direct.
Tim-I'm sure you know that MF's mission for years was/is to be the apostle/Pied Piper of vinyl and he is credited with an undefined number of converts. So why wouldn't MF be chasing the actual numbers of vinyl records pressed and sold as well as tables and cartridges? Who better to get this info and who would have more credibility with the companies that MF is trying to obtain data from? It makes perfect sense to me.
My response was meant to show that nowadays the sales of ALL music formats are being significantly under-reported. Who knows how many of the download sites are actually reporting to Nielsen/Soundscan? nuts.net, munckmusic, bandcamp, etc, in addition to artists' own Web sites. And direct sales (mostly of CD's) at concerts and through artists' Web sites are huge, and as I suggested those alone may exceed total worldwide sales of vinyl.
the only detective work we need is substantiating the provenace of the master tapes used for reissued music (analog or digital). i dont see the point in finding numbers for the actual sales of TTs and vinyl as the 'truth' probably wont make his case and if you're not convinced by now why keep beating a dead hose
the only detective work we need is substantiating the provenace of the master tapes used for reissued music (analog or digital). i dont see the point in finding numbers for the actual sales of TTs and vinyl as the 'truth' probably wont make his case and if you're not convinced by now why keep beating a dead hose
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Yes but with CD sales, how much can it be off? A couple of pct? Conversely with LPs, it could be off 50-100%. I think the take home message is that the numbers show companies currently producing LPs as well as those that are contemplating doing th same that it's still worth their time and investment.
Personally, I don't understand for one moment the negativity that this post has engendered. And as far as Rob's comment, what does it have to be mutually exclusive and not complementary to what Michael is doing? Perhaps it's a good suggestion that he should take under advisement?
But what's the point. Likely the only people who care about all those CD and download sales are the artists; other than having to report taxable income there is little reason to share that information. And who knows what the volume of all that unreported stuff really is? It's often very popular artists who are generating these sales; in addition to the two I mentioned, there is The Who, Dave Matthews Band, Genesis... many artists whose more "standard" releases typically sell in the millions.
Even for LP's, I don't see where the sales figures matter except to someone trying to demonstrate a "vinyl revival". As far as the companies are concerned, the only thing that really matters is the bottom line, and they already know that...
Even for LP's, I don't see where the sales figures matter except to someone trying to demonstrate a "vinyl revival". As far as the companies are concerned, the only thing that really matters is the bottom line, and they already know that...
How do you know he's wrong? The jury is out until MF receives enough replies to gauge what the sales appear to be vice what the sales are that are reported.
I must be missing something. I don't understand why " .... most privately held turntable manufacturers are under no obligation to divulge their sales figures, nor are they eager to do so for reasons that should be obvious."
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