How to transform a "past master" to an object of desire...

soundofvoid

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I have been aproached by a friend who wanted to make a "dream" turntable on a "budget"...
After a lot of discussions we have made a plan and started "investing" on items from the second hand market.
First came the turntable:a perfect specimen of one of the top dog DD turntables that DENON made:
the DP-80.It was bought from a German lady whose "late" husband had quite a collection of turntables.
It came nicely packed with all the papers AND the original DENON cutout paper that prooved to be a great help!It was by far the best condition DP-80 that i have encountered.
Next came the tonearm:the Dynavector 507 in the rather rare light blue colour!I have seen black and silver ones but never blue!This one was bought from Denmark from a shop specialized in second hand audio items...
From a guy in Hong-Kong who has a nice ebay shop with all kinds of transformers came an over- specified one, able to convert the European 230VAC to the Japanese 100VAC.
FYI these tables were never meant to leave Japan,thus they only work on 100VAC.
I have added some extra filtering on the incoming power, added a fuse (just to be on the safe side),changed the sockets to better ones, designed a better box for it ,
and we were ready powerwise.
Last came a VdHul Condor cartridge with gold coils and low hours from a friend who upgraded to a Colibri.This was luck!He was selling the same moment we were buying!How appropriate!

I have opted for a stand alone base for the tonearm and a three legged (adjustable with spikes)
chassis for the turntable.
This chassis was made from aero grade aluminum (3 cm slabs) one on top of the other making a
hollow bowl to accommodate the motor and electronics of the DP-80.
The CNC guy found the DENON cutout print very helpful because it saved him from some very complex measurements!
Each aluminum slab was separated from the next by a 3mm soft silicone sheet and a 2mm inox
periphery ring (for decorating reasons).
Then all were screwed together with enough force so as the 3mm silicone sheet reduced it's
thickness to 2mm (as was the thickness of the inox steel rings).
All this created a mass that had damping properties incorporated inside.(Excuse my poor english!)
The three "legs" were made of bronze and where screwed to the side of the chassis,
each one with three hidden M8 screws.A silicone "gasket" was used between the base and the legs.
At the bottom of the legs a large adjustable spike and cup was used.On the top a decorative puck was milled to cover the hollow part.
The tonearm base was made from bronze too, with separate top if we ever need to change the tonearm type.
So all the "shining" parts you see are from polished inox steel.Black parts are either aluminum or bronze.
I have added a sheet of self adhesive neoprene on the sides and bottom of the "bowl"
that covers the motor and electronics of the DP-80.This sheet needed to compress a bit in order
to fit inside the base opening.
This way we have achieved to eliminate a major problem of the original DENON design:the ringing of the
sheet steel that covers the electronics.
Last i have inverted the Denon chassis and filled all the die-cast cavities of the periphery of the turntable with a kind of resin that behaves like dried tar-nasty stuff but heavy and perfect for damping vibrations.
It took the force of two strong people to push the DP-80's bottom into the base,but when it hit
bottom you could feel that even without the securing screws it was a veeeery tight fit.
Last thing i did was to design a large heavy (750gr) record pressing weight with a 2mm soft silicone sheet glued under it.
I think it looks like a million bucks and first listening impressions justify the cost and effort involved.(The whole project from start to finish took five months)
The pictures are from my phone and don't do it justice!What do you think?
I advised him to find a gun metal record mat that Micro Seiki was making to incorporate it
under the Denon rubber mat, to increase the inertia of the rotating mass but even as it is it's rotational stability
is like nothing i have seen!You have to see it with your own eyes to believe how fast it accelerates to 45rpm
or slows down to 33rpm (it has an electronic brake!).
It's because of the huge motor (it looks like a starting motor of a truck!) that rotates the platter and the bi-directional servo control that has an iron grip on the platter speed.
A thing of beauty!If i wasn't neck deep into a different approach to turntable design, i would make my own just like this!
 

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Johnny Vinyl

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Holy CR*P! That is aboslutely stunning! I doubt though that this ended up being a TT on a budget, no? What were your total costs, if you don't mind me being nosey?

John
 

soundofvoid

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I'm glad you liked it!Total cost was about 5000 euro all in(Turntable-tonearm-cartridge-transformer-raw metals-CNC work-prepping and painting-bits and pieces-assembly).
Final weight about 50 Kgs...
Of course i designed it for free...I'll never learn!
 
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Albertporter

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I have been aproached by a friend who wanted to make a "dream" turntable on a budget...
After a lot of discussions we have made a plan and started "investing" on items from the second hand market.
First came the turntable:a perfect specimen of one of the top dog DD turntables that DENON made:
the DP-80.It was bought from a German lady whose "late" husband had quite a collection of turntables.
It came nicely packed with all the papers AND the original DENON cutout paper that prooved to be a great help!It was by far the best condition DP-80 that i have encountered.
Next came the tonearm:the Dynavector 507 in the rather rare light blue colour!I have seen black and silver ones but never blue!This one was bought from Denmark from a shop specialized in second hand audio items...
From a guy in Hong-Kong who has a nice ebay shop with all kinds of trasformers came an over- specified one able to convert the European 230VAC to the Japanese 100VAC.I have added some
extra filtering on the incoming power and added a fuse (just to be on the safe side) and we were ready powerwise.
Last came a VdHul Condor cartridge with gold coils and low hours from a friend who upgraded to a Colibri.This was luck!He was selling the same moment we were buying!How appropriate!

I have opted for a stand alone base for the tonearm and a three legged (adjustable with spikes)
chassis for the turntable.
This chassis was made from aero grade aluminum (3 cm slabs) one on top of the other making a
hollow bowl to accomodate the motor and electronics of the DP-80.
The CNC guy found the DENON cutout print very helpfull because it saved him from some very complex measurements!
Each aluminum slab was separated from the next by a 3mm soft silicone sheet and a 2mm inox
periphery ring (for decorating reasons).
Then all were screwed together with enough force so as the 3mm silicone sheet reduced it's
thickness to 2mm (as was the thickness of the inox steel rings).
All this created a mass that had dampening properties incorporated inside.(Excuse my poor english!)
The three "leggs" were made of bronze and where screwed to the side of the chassis,
each one with three hidden M8 screws.A silicone "gasket" was used between the base and the leggs.
The tonearm base was made from bronze too.
All "shining" parts are from inox steel.
I have added a sheet of self adhensive neoprene on the sides and bottom of the "bowl"
that covers the motor and electronics of the DP-80.This sheet need to compress a bit in order
to fit inside the base opening.
This way we have achieved to eliminate a major problem of the original DENON design:the ringing of the
sheet steel that covers the electronics.
Last i have inverted the Denon chassis and filled all the diecast cavities of the periphery of the turntable with a kind of resin that behaves like dried tar-nusty stuff but heavy and perfect for dampening vibrations.
It took the force of two strong people to push the DP-80's bottom into the base,but when it hit
bottom you could feel that even whithout the securing screws it was a veeery tight fit.
I think it looks like a million bucks and first listening immpressions justify the cost and effort
involved.The pictures are from my phone and don't do it justice!What do you think?
I advised him to find a gun metal record mat the Micro Seiki was making to incorporate it
under the Denon rubber mat, to increase the inertia of the rotating mass but even as it is it's rotational stability
is like nothing i have seen!You have to see it with your own eyes to believe how fast it accelerates to 45rpm
or slows down to 33rpm (it has an electronic brake!).
It's because of the huge motor that rotates the platter and the bi-directional servo control that has an iron grip on the platter speed.
A thing of beauty!

I absolutely LOVE it. Thank you for sharing your absolutely beautiful turntable project with us.
 

soundofvoid

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Apr 22, 2010
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I understand that it was a long and tiring read,but believe me ,i left out a hundred other tiny details that made this possible.
Indeed 'the devil is in the details".Details about measurements,final decisions on what material goes where,prepping,painting,assembling,etc,etc.
I think that my friend will really enjoy his new toy...And when i said that the final weight is around 50 Kgs,i meant of the main unit!Add another
12Kgs for the tonearm tower+tonearm and another 5kgs or so on the external transformer with it's "fancy" casing.
All this is going to be placed on two granite plates measuring about 50cmX60cm, each 3cm thick with a sheet (1cm) of sponge like rubber in between and under them.I think that 6000$ is fairly cheap for something that looks so special and works like a dream!Leave aside the fact that it's one and only!
(I have kept the measurements and CNC files just in case someone else falls in love with it...)
 
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soundofvoid

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Thanks George,i value your opinion as you are the one with an eye for aesthetics...
It was mostly "a form follows function" effort but the result does resemble a "Darth Vader meets flying saucer"
mix...
 

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