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    Quote Originally Posted by rockitman View Post
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    Just some questions. Does the Clearaudio table have any suspension of its own, or is it technically an unsuspended table? Do you have the turntable stand on concrete slab, or was it on a wooden floor on a second story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjfrbw View Post
    Just some questions. Does the Clearaudio table have any suspension of its own, or is it technically an unsuspended table? Do you have the turntable stand on concrete slab, or was it on a wooden floor on a second story?
    yes, concrete slab. Table is a mass loaded non suspended. Perfect design for this application. Suspended tables will benefit too depending on the design.
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    I was shocked at the improvement the Herzon base made to Christian's system. It played with so much more poise during tough passages, where before it got a bit edgy. More resolution too and a richer presentation. Took his system to the next level for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Demars View Post
    I was shocked at the improvement the Herzon base made to Christian's system. It played with so much more poise during tough passages, where before it got a bit edgy. More resolution too and a richer presentation. Took his system to the next level for sure.
    my TS-140 will be here this coming week about when i'm at the Newport show.

    looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Demars View Post
    I was shocked at the improvement the Herzon base made to Christian's system. It played with so much more poise during tough passages, where before it got a bit edgy. More resolution too and a richer presentation. Took his system to the next level for sure.
    Bill, I have no doubt about your report. Though I have not heard the Herzon active isolation, I know first hand what proper passive isolation can do for a turntable and for amplifiers. It has to be heard to be believed and will certainly take the system to a new level. It will be very interesting to hear what Christian thinks about the Herzon under his coming TechDas which is already isolated to some degree. But that won't be until the end of the Summer.
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    my Herzan TS-140 active isolation shelf arrived yesterday, and I installed it last evening.

    I had been looking forward to this since 2005 when a reviewer from Positive Feedback brought over a Halcyonics for me to try. 3 years ago I switched from Grand Prix Audio Monaco decoupling shelves to the Adona 'grounded' racks to be able to optimize isolation devices such as the Herzan. when you combine isolation systems both systems are compromised. back in 2005 we had placed the Halcyonics on top of my GPA Monaco decoupling rack, yet it still sounded wonderful. how might it do when given the chance to work as designed?

    no doubt I had big expectations. however; I also thought there was a chance that there might be take-aways that might compromise the benefits. with isolation devices my experience had been there are no absolutes. I did not know anyone who had tried one of these on a SOTA turntable. might it soften the sound?

    it turns out it far exceeded my expectations. and I think besides the grounded, mass loaded Adona rack it sits on......and the 6" of concrete the Adona is spiked to, the NVS tt is an ideal match for the Herzan since it's designed to work with it's own isolation shelf. and Wave Kinetics started out as an isolation device builder.

    i'll start out with the areas of my concerns, which I need not have had. the snap, impact, and weight of transients and bass is on a level I've never heard before. a huge improvement. and those things were already amazing. now they are 'real'. detail and focus is improved for everything, there is more density, texture, and harmonic sparkle......a vivid 'live-ness' that is hard to describe. the separation of every individual aspect of the presentation is another large improvement.

    but really, the important thing is that music is more involving and compelling, there is a greater sense of the playing together, and the emotional content is much greater. I cannot stop listening.

    I am astonished at what i'm hearing.

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    That's a very nice looking turntable Mike. ...Awesome that your music is now even more involving with your new found 'foundation'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    my Herzan TS-140 active isolation shelf arrived yesterday, and I installed it last evening.

    I had been looking forward to this since 2005 when a reviewer from Positive Feedback brought over a Halcyonics for me to try. 3 years ago I switched from Grand Prix Audio Monaco decoupling shelves to the Adona 'grounded' racks to be able to optimize isolation devices such as the Herzan. when you combine isolation systems both systems are compromised. back in 2005 we had placed the Halcyonics on top of my GPA Monaco decoupling rack, yet it still sounded wonderful. how might it do when given the chance to work as designed?

    no doubt I had big expectations. however; I also thought there was a chance that there might be take-aways that might compromise the benefits. with isolation devices my experience had been there are no absolutes. I did not know anyone who had tried one of these on a SOTA turntable. might it soften the sound?

    it turns out it far exceeded my expectations. and I think besides the grounded, mass loaded Adona rack it sits on......and the 6" of concrete the Adona is spiked to, the NVS tt is an ideal match for the Herzan since it's designed to work with it's own isolation shelf. and Wave Kinetics started out as an isolation device builder.

    i'll start out with the areas of my concerns, which I need not have had. the snap, impact, and weight of transients and bass is on a level I've never heard before. a huge improvement. and those things were already amazing. now they are 'real'. detail and focus is improved for everything, there is more density, texture, and harmonic sparkle......a vivid 'live-ness' that is hard to describe. the separation of every individual aspect of the presentation is another large improvement.

    but really, the important thing is that music is more involving and compelling, there is a greater sense of the playing together, and the emotional content is much greater. I cannot stop listening.

    I am astonished at what i'm hearing.

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    Congrats Mike. You summed up my impressions exactly. My replacement unit arrived today. I even installed a brand new cart and it still sounds amazing. (Koetsu Tiger Eye). Have you checked out the lcd screens ?... in particular the axis display ? With active off, you can snap you fingers and the TS-140 detects it by excited lines on the axis display. Re-engage active and the lines don't move. The balance/weight screen is also useful to optimize the balance of the TT on the TS.
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    By the way, my first unit was a demo that crapped the bed. It was clearly an older model year as it was dark blue in color and the button label area was a bit different. This dark graphite color matches both the stand and TT quite nicely.
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